• VodkaSolution @feddit.it
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    Sorry guys, that also happened 40 years ago in the form of “retired guy has some free time and starts buying 2 newspapers, one of which is just political propagabda”… That’s definitely not on social media, they just amplified the phenomena

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    Any time you hear Republicans argue 18 year olds shouldn’t be able to vote, and they want to increase the age to 21/25, tell them “OK - then anybody over 65 isn’t allowed to vote either.”

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      I would settle for no one can be elected if their age is younger or older than 30 and 60.

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          I’m not talking about just the president. I don’t think we need anyone older than 60 deciding the future. I’m less than a decade from 60 but have been ruled by people much older than me why whole life. It isn’t any better and in some ways worse than it was when I was in my twenties.

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          If you’re old enough to draw your full Social Security payment, you’re too old to hold public office.

          Sorry, Bernie. You’re one of the good ones, but you’ll have to make sacrifices for the common good.

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        I’m jealous. Mine watches far-right extremist content on tiktok and youtube. What’s an affordable hobby that wouldn’t make an insecure man-child feel emasculated?

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      And so nothing changes and probably continues to get worse.

      Also, this is an attempt to block malicious influence, outright lies, and distorted reality. You’re free to access actual reality anytime.

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      People who say this are usually consuming misinformation and propaganda and don’t know it. Anyone outside of those echo chambers can clearly see how it’s dangerous and harmful to democracy.

  • cokeslutgarbage@lemmy.world
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    My mom mentioned that my dad has been watching some concerning (in her words, “annoying”) YouTube content lately. Last time she said that it was America’s Got Talent, but this time it’s white men arguing with cops. I visited and asked if he would show me. He jokingly said “are you gonna violate my rights?” And I very seriously said “yes. I need to make sure it’s not Jordan Peterson or Joe Rogan or someone even worse”. He got a little bit offended and said “you know me better than that, I’m smarter than that”. But the thing is, you start by watching something innocuous like some idiot sovcit arguing with cops and the algorithm pipeline feeds you nazi shit from there and you don’t even know it.

    For context, my parents are the kind of leftists that don’t know what leftists are. My mom calls herself a bleeding heart liberal, and my dad sees the media say things like “radical liberals” and jumps up off the couch screaming “you bet your ass im a radical liberal!” But they’re left of liberal, they just don’t have the language for it.

    I’m not worried that my dad is gonna seek out nazi propaganda, im worried it’s gonna find him anyway and I want to throw his phone in a lake.

    Maybe shower thoughts wasn’t the right community for me to have my existential crisis. But I wish i could block “sovcit” on my dad’s phone and “trad-anything” on my mom’s phone, not because I think they’re dumb (okay maybe a little) but because this shit is so toxic and intrinsic and scary and my parents are so dumb.

    Take care of yourself and your loved ones xx

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      I was interested in Diablo IV when it was released which, after a few videos, led YouTube to recommend Asmondgold. I watched one or two of his videos and the next thing I know my feed is full of maga and manosphere trash. Most of it had innocuous titles and thumbnails but a few minutes in I was being bombarded with lies, bad faith arguments, logical fallacies. Don’t even get me started with where funny Garand Thumb videos will lead. All I could think of was how Al Queda and ISIS recruited people with videos posted online.

      EDIT: For the most part, I liked Asmondgold, but the algorithm leads from him to very dark places.

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        Same thing happened with me and Shadiversity. I like medieval stuff and fantasy so i thought he’d be interesting.

        Noooope. Just another fash scumbag.

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        Imo Asmongold is good to mid, until he starts getting political, then it plummets into awful. Also yeah I think the garand thumb to far right pipeline is very real, the guy is actually quite extreme iirc.

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          I got recommended Asmongold several years ago before he got political. Dude was dumb as hell, had nothing of value to say and kept making the most annoyingly punchable faces. He’s always been utter trash.

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          I remember watching Grand Thumb’s video on actual grand thumb, because I had never known it was a thing (I’m not huge on guns and I like history, but not that much) and thought it was interesting. A couple years later and there’s a video of him shooting guns with a couple other guntubers out in the bush, and iirc there wasn’t anything explicitly said or stated in the video, but I just got an overwhelming vibe of “good ol’ boys shootin and drinkin and talkin trash” which rubbed me the wrong way.

          Asmon is fucking disgusting human trash who wallows in his own filth, thinking it’s normal to do. Like letting rats decompose into the carpet right next to where he sleeps, or not cleaning up his vomit “because he liked the smell”

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          I don’t get how he can be such a non-self-aware trashbag. He seems so reasonable at times, yet eats is reprehensible in almost every way.

          He reallh believes he is self-made.

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      Why do you stigmatize Joe Rogan and others? There’s nothing wrong with watching people who you diagree with.

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        There’s plenty wrong with credulous dipshits who give lying propagandists and conmen a platform.

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        I don’t usually feed the trolls, but I’m going to engage w you as if you were being genuine.

        I used to watch Joe Rogan w my ex. My ex was a Bernie Bro. It turned into Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate. Now he dates women 10 years younger than him and I live with a roommate and am paying off his luxury car that I co-signed for him that has since been repossessed. He kicked me out of the apartment that I paid for because “he couldn’t stand to share his bed with me anymore” because Andrew tate told him he could do better than me. Look, people break up for lots of reasons. We weren’t a good match from the start. But the idea that he’s some high value alpha and I’m a used up ho is just so fucking silly, it was the stupidest most embarrassing way for my 7 year relationship to have ended.

        It’s important to hear the opinions of people who disagree with you if they are being genuine. Joe Rogan and the rest are not good faith people. They are promoting disinformation and hate. And I think you are too.

        I watched my dad end a lifelong friendship because the friend got sucked down the right wing garbage chute. He has not rebounded from his loss, but he can’t tolerate that friendship and just “not talk abt politics” around the guy.

        Be better, my dear. I will not respond again.

      • 4am@lemm.ee
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        WhY wOnT yOu cHaLlEnGe YoUrSeLf in tHe mArKeTpLaCe oF iDeAs? I’m jUsT aSkINg qUeStIoNs!

      • maniclucky@lemmy.world
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        Calling bad faith. The Rogan-stans tend to hide behind “he let’s anyone on his show regardless of his feelings”, while failing to acknowledge that he’s platforming some heinously evil and/or stupid people (apparently Andrew fucking Tate is lined up to be on there soon) and just signs off on whatever crazy they spout (looks at Jordan Peterson). He’s abdicated all responsibility for giving some awful people a platform and good PR.

        It’s not about disagreement, it’s about responsibility for who uses your platform. If he grilled them like an investigative journalist or meaningfully debated them in any way, we could talk. But this fucker would have Andrew Wakefield on and just be like “oh yeah, vaccines are evil”.

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    I constantly refer to my parents and in-laws as children. Why? Because they behave exactly like my 11 year old. They have no critical reasoning skills, no emotional intelligence, are easily offended, and can not be reliability left on their own without screwing something up.

    At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children and those of us in middle adulthood are left to parent our actual children and our childish parents.

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      At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children and those of us in middle adulthood are left to parent our actual children and our childish parents.

      Is this true, or is this just (mostly) boomers?

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      Unfortunately I think that’s just our parents and not all old people. My parents are the same way, but it seems to me more that maturing is a choice and active process that requires effort, and many people are unwilling to put in the work and vigilance required and it leads to the above

      I don’t think they’re children, I think they’re selfish lazy assholes, but the result that they need to be treated like children is the same

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      At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children

      I haven’t seen that happen to everyone I know around that age. Many still have their wits about them and see the current state of affairs as a clown show. Some are even out here on the streets protesting.

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      At some point around retirement age, humans seem to cognitively revert back to children

      I know someone who works in a elderly care home, she says roughly the same: “Ouderen verkindsen” (elderly turn into children)

      Your cognitive abilities really do seem to diminish after a certain point, no matter where. It’s annoying they think they’re adults and demand respect…

      • ᴍᴜᴛɪʟᴀᴛɪᴏɴᴡᴀᴠᴇ @lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        My great grandmother (meemaw) had severe dementia, and one time in a moment of clarity she said I believe that you’re a child twice, at the beginning and the end.

        She lived to 96. Luckily my grandparents that I loved, her daughter (mamaw) and her daughter’s husband (papaw), died relatively sooner once dementia set it. Unfortunately my grandpa lived with it for about ten years but it was only a couple years for my grandma. In great grandma’s case, she was falling into dementia around the time I was born.

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    You know, in many EU states we have secrecy of correspondence laws. It’s illegal for third parties to read your messages without your consent. This includes parents and children

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    I just keep their Facebook accounts logged in on my phone. Every few months, I will go onto their profiles and unlike pages like “Wear your poppy with pride” and deradicalize their algorithm. Poppies for British boomers on Facebook are like Elsa and Spiderman on YouTube for babies.

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      Very good idea there. I’m starting to have to keep track of my parents passwords (because they don’t) and removing spam/disinformation from their Facebook/email/YouTube regularly might resolve many issues.

      Like someone mentioned, shoveling the shit. Can’t stopped it from getting there, but I can remove it.

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        Because the wearing of poppies has become synonymous with the now deduct BNP and the rest of the British right wing for a lot of us.

        You can thank Stephen Yaxley-Lennon for that.

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          That’s a bit silly. The symbol has existed as one of remembrance for over 100 years. We shouldn’t let fascists take claim of it

          Although I take this to mean that the ‘poppy pages’ are actually fronts for bigotry?

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            Correct.

            They are where you’ll find the deeply ignorant, xenophobic, Daily Mail readers frothing at the mouth and red in the face with anger over how “forriners” are lazy criminals that come here to claim benefits for them and their 16 kids, while simultaneously stealing all the jobs and homes from “hard working British families” (read: “British benefit claimants out of work and living in grothole housing owned by a local slumlord”).

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            Of course it’s silly.

            It’s also silly that people get upset at a bunch of Asian countries who still use the swastika. But a lot of people outside the cultures instantly think of Nazis.

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              We shouldn’t be getting upset at swastikas being used within their asian context.

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      The “reverse” here is in the context: “parental controls” is conventionally allows parents to restrict offspring.

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        Yeah I get the attempted use, but it’s not a reverse because adults can only restrict minors, not “offspring”. And yes, I am fun at parties.

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    I think it would be better to make social media unprofitable with heavy regularion on data collection, trading and sharing.

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      Totally agree. Especially since in my country, young people are swallowing far-right propaganda at a higher rate than boomers. Canada’s Tater Tots are trying to elect a MAGA candidate right now. Age is not the problem - the well of information has been poisoned.

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    China, now the leading global super-power, took drastic measures decades ago to make sure their population wasn’t getting indoctrinated by outside influences.

    They also used this power to cover up genocides and such, but I feel like a healthier balance could be maintained if we could just get our population to understand that their unfettered access to literally anything is like opening up a wound to the world’s bacteria.

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      China didn’t do that cause they care about their citizens. They did it so only they can control what propoganda their citizens consume, teaching children critical thinking and emotional regulation early in their life is a better approach than trying to turn the external world into some safe walled garden