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I am cold AF. I block and ghost people when I decide they’re not worth my time. I don’t even tell them why.
Why did you tag NSFW
Imagine getting triggered for something so simple and stupid.
True, but isn’t that the definition of a totalitarian?
Don’t feed the troll. Block it instead.
A person refusing to waste time on a troll has literally, fundamentally, and atomically nothing to do with totalitarianism
This would be true if exactly the two people are involved but after that you are not the only one affected, also who is to say they are a troll or have a valid opinion? If it is an individual then that is definitionally a totalitarian.
Free speech means you don’t get arrested for it, doesn’t mean anyone is required to listen
No, free speech means you have the right to speak, if you’re talking about some government I don’t know of it is irrelevant.
It still doesn’t mean the right to be listened
It does mean people have the right to hear, and When high profile people are able to censor it is taking away from the open market of ideas as much as any government, sure, you specifically do not have to argue anything, and I am ok with that but it is a fine line to censorship, including for other political powers or corporations, it happens in real life with real influencers all the time.
Sure, in a wildly extreme version of it and only when the goverment does it. So, basically not at all.
Many of the people who demand “debate” have no real interest in engaging properly, they just want to spew their shit without consequence. People are getting really tired of it and having to constantly do the legwork for them since they’re not even willing to try a little bit or even learn when obvious facts are presented in their little “debates”.
First things first, what is a government? Because many corporations have more soft and hard power than the majority of all governments through history, the same can be said about certain influencers, is it simply the Monopoly on violence? Because that seems awfully arbitrary and means any bully is a government, I would argue the principal behind it is far more important than some arbitrary definition of government that even international bodies don’t agree on.
Second thing second, sure, many, people argue in bad faith, many are improper many are etc but certainly not all and certainly not every influencer or company should be the absolute arbiter of Truth and moral.
“there are some similarities so they are the same because it supports my argument”
“What is government” oh my god it’s a comic you pea-brained pseudo-intellectual. Actually just shut the fuck up.
Oh no, I’m being totalitarian!
It is just a comic, just like trump is just joking about Tariffs and infact the very idea of him ever getting elected is a meme and a joke, or the Flat Earth theory, that is sooooo funny, or how about the Tide Pod challenge, wasn’t that funny??? Or remember all that time ago when school shootings were a Joke? Wasn’t that sooooooooo funny ??? 🤣😂🤣🤣🤣
People are in control of what they see. It’s their lemmy. Block away! Or ban if you run a instance/community.
Whatever
Fair point, but the traffic compared to the vast majority of socal networks is irrelevant to say the least.
I love it when you bunch come out with your whataboutisms and other bs on PCC posts.
it makes it so much easier to block you.
And I love it when you bunch come out with censorship immediately proving my point.
I don’t block people. It’s better to downvote them.
Nobody is changing their mind from modern debates online. We are in a culture of anti-intellectualism. So there really is no point. I only block if someone is annoying or there is no point in engagement.
As obvious and uncontroversial as this comic may seem, the message still needs to be said.
I really don’t think it does.
And you saying that is why it does need to be said.
You’re really going to town in here, aren’t you?
Care to elaborate? Or are we edging “I just don’t like that my opinion is bad and people have the right to tell me fuck off”?
It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.
Like I said in another comment, most of her comics I react to with a “no shit”. She’s stating the obvious.
“Commom Knowledge” isn’t comon among a LOT of idiots this comic is aimed at.
I really hope these comics don’t surge here like they did on reddit. It’s not wrong, it’s just such low effort. Its just pandering.
Assuming it was common knowledge to don’t be a nazi is how we got all these nazis running around
Maybe youre leaning more towards its a circlejerk? But I mean if its a circlejerk about disowning naxis and other annoying people I say pass the grease
Circlejerk, preaching to the choir, stating the obvious, whatever you want to call it.
the message still needs to be said.
No it doesn’t, because this shit is just ragebait.
How? It says nothing rageworthy
Uh… to whom?
I gotta admit, I can’t stand content I can’t engage with. What’s the point? It’s just grandstanding and blowharding.
I block people who use insults and name-calling instead of conversation. Don’t need that shit.
People who complain about being blocked really are the worst.
I don’t mind pizzacake commics, but at this point just seeing the art style is enough to get me pre-emptivly upset at how stupid and insane the comment section is going to be.
I see it and just sigh because I know nobody will talk about the actual comic it will just be about how shitty of a person she is for X reason.
That’s not true, we also insult her half assed art style and middle of the road takes.
Case in point.
They’re literally criticizing the content of the comics and not her person, it’s the exact opposite of “case in point”
I’m unfamiliar, this is the first thing of hers I’ve encountered and I thought it fun enough to post here. Is there one of those Reasons people don’t like her?
There’s a long story involving her threatening legal action against a subreddit over people parodying her work, overall she seems to be a very thin skinned individual that doesn’t take criticism well.
Her work also just isn’t very good, in my view. Her art style is incredibly bland, and her positions on various topics are just the biggest “no shit” moments you can imagine.
She’s an example of a normal person becoming famous and having to navigate those waters without a team.
You’re a wonderful example of an outside critic without consideration. I’m thankful I’m just a nobody like you, because these critiques upset me even when I’m not involved whatsoever.
posts nude photos of Nurse_Robot punting a basket of puppies
You swore you’d never post that photo, I only kicked that basket because you said it was the only way you could get off
I wasn’t aware I had to be an artist to criticise Pizzacake.
And even without the drama on Reddit, which I don’t particularly care about, her work is extremely bland and unimaginative.
Lots of posts on Lemmy are bland and unimaginative. I don’t feel the need to comment as such in each and every one of them.
You do you, I guess.
You don’t have to be an artist to criticize her, just like I don’t have to be a critic to recognize bandwagoning. People shit on her because it’s popular, not because of good reasons.
Continue to manifest reddit drama here, and argue for shitting on people. I’ll take my downvotes for standing up for artists. There are literally hundreds of bigger problems we should be speaking up about, this comic artist is not one of them.
Explain the difference between bandwagoning and the majoroty of people sharing the same opinion.
Have you considered the possibility everyone is criticising her because she genuinely sucks?
To be fair, if the biggest critiques of an internet celeb was that they were thin-skinned and their takes aren’t very spicy then I take that as a win in today’s environment. Hell even being “sort of an asshole” is pretty good by today’s standards.
It could be worse, but then again, people wouldn’t be posting her work all the time if she’d done something truly awful.
Instead she makes bland dross that confirms people’s opinions, and people think she’s actually creative as a result.
She does, however, sell nude pictures on her patron.
Thanks, SatansMaggotyCumFart. You’ve shown us the audience that shits on artists
It’s not like the community here shits on all artists regularly, it’s just the one.
Bullying someone because everyone else does it still doesn’t make it cool dude
I honestly don’t think she’s into that.
We won’t know unless we ask though
Which is very weird, but whatever.
Gentlemen, I think I’ve found my next job. Now, if only I was good looking…
You could always paint your toenails and sell foot pics.
I mean…I wouldn’t know…
🤔
I’d have to shave my feet and get a pedicure as well, since I don’t think there is much of a market for male hobbit feet
Lol of course it would be satansmaggotycumfart to share this tidbit
I’m out of the loop, what’s the pizza cake drama?
She is a proud misandrist and a camgirl. Also the punchline of most of her comics is that impotent rage allows her to yell louder than any opinions she disagrees with.
pizzacake is a woman with opinions. misogynists hate her for that. One time, she didn’t handle that very well. Lots of people got banned on reddit. Now people here mostly bitch about her comics being “low effort” and such, which mostly just reveals “I don’t have a legit argument to hate this person so I’m going to pointlessly criticise her work instead.”
As I’ve said in another comment, if some rando did the same scenario in ragemaker and posted it, everyone would be all over how relatable it is.
That said, it is possibly to simply not like the artstyle, or to not find the scenario relatable, or whatever criticism a person might have. Divorced of context, those criticisms sound valid. With context though, it becomes obvious that it is popular to persecute pizzacake.
persecute
Y’all have got to join us in reality.
Yes, there are some misogynists who hate pizzacake because she is a woman exercising her agency.
That is not the majority of pushback against her, just the most disgusting and vocal.
The vast majority of criticism of pizzacake is towards her lack of punchlines, constant strawmanning, the unbelievable sycophants who follow and worship her and have turned the relevant subreddit into basically /r/ChurchofPizzacake, and for pizzacake’s pattern of poor behavior in interactions on reddit and elsewhere.
There is a lot of grossness surrounding the entire pizzacake topic, yes, that’s undeniable. But to effectively chalk up all or most of the criticism as misogyny when a healthy majority of it sticks to the content of her comics or conduct in direct interactions rather than any extracurricular activities she may engage in, is just disingenuous as fuck.
I should clarify, I’m not claiming that everyone who is criticizing pizzacake is a misogynist. I am however saying that it is popular among misogynists to bully women artists and call it “criticism”, thus, the presence of certain kinds of criticism indicates an increased likelihood that the “critic” is actually a misogynist, even if the criticisms at face value are legitimate.
I shouldn’t need to have a law degree to write a comment in a comics forum.
Ah, I remember having these arguments about whether Star Wars 7 should have let Rey be a woman. Uh, I mean, a Mary Sue.
The parallels are stark indeed. Divorced of context, it’s perfectly reasonable to accept the argument that Rey is a poorly written character (because she is). Normal, well adjusted people were able to accept that the sequel trilogy sucks for numerous reasons, Rey being a poorly written character being one of them, and then move on. The problem with this criticism isn’t the criticism itself, but rather the people who bang on and on and on about it reveal that they didn’t have a problem with the writing, they had a problem with a female character having agency.
“Mind what people do, not just what they say, for deeds will betray a lie.”
turned the relevant subreddit into basically /r/ChurchofPizzacake…
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I’m not on Reddit, I don’t care what the subreddit is like.
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fans of [thing] are on the subreddit of [thing] saying how much they like [thing]?! I guess I should hate everything then!
Your grasping at straws here man.
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For some reason PCC:s supporters never mention that she threatened to sue a subreddit for making fun of her comics. “One time she didn’t handle that very well” that’s putting it very mildly. PC is just toxic
Is that what the narrative is now? I think the critics would have mentioned it last time, they were very thorough and even cited sources.
Which tier of her patron do you subscribe to?
My dude, are you calling me a simp? I didn’t know she had a patreon before today, and I wouldn’t be a subscriber even if I did. There’s infinite porn available for free. Everything I know about pizzacake is from the comment sections (and included links) of the last 3 times one of her comics made it into my feed. I have some basic reading and comprehension skills, so it’s not hard for me to quickly see exactly what’s going on here.
I’m not your dude, guy.
My apologies for calling you a dude against your will.
Also, Guy is my father, but that’s besides the point.
The rest of my comment still stands.
You forgot to mention the frequency of her posts is to drive traffic to her onlyfans.
I only hear about her onlyfans from people who don’t like her because she has an onlyfans. You advertise more than she does.
She has an only fans??! o.O zomg
Thanks lemmy566567 for letting me know! I’ll check it out right now!
her comics are mid and you will catch a ban if you say that in r/comics
To be fair “your comic sucks” is kind of a dickish thing to comment.
Excuse me, I thought mid meant something along the lines of mediocre, not suck.
It does.
And you were correct
It does and doesn’t.
It means ‘middle’, but to be ‘middle’ in a world of greats is to be lame and worth very little.
Think about it this way: when someone says something sucks, no one ever corrects them “nah, it’s mid,” like in a positive way.
It wasn’t intended to be either a slight or a compliment.
to be ‘middle’ in a world of greats is to be lame and worth very little
If you ain’t first, you’re last? Nah. That don’t make no sense.
I’m being hyperbolic.
Its kind of a dick move to start writing hate comments under a comic that you find mildy displeasing.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, if you have like… actual constructive feedback go for it, but “this is mid/low effort” really isn’t helpful
I wasn’t aware we’re bringing Reddit dramas to fester on Lemmy
That’s her biggest platform by far, so I think what they said is fair game. Does Mastodon never talk about what happens on Twitter or BlueSky? The fact Reddit is a cesspool doesn’t mean we should pretend it doesn’t exist.
It doesn’t mean we should imitate them either
But we’re not…? Someone just asked “what’s the drama?” and someone matter-of-factly said what the drama is. What makes you think anything here is imitating Reddit?
Bringing pizzacake to Lemmy and not expecting her sycophants to follow is like stealing a block of cheese from a rat and not expecting it to follow you.
I’ll try not to let it happen again.
All I know is she posts lewds to her Patreon and has lots of simps
Like the green knight, for example.
I fail to understand why posting a pair of tits is such a controversial thing to do. Maybe I’m too European to lose my marbles over some nipples.
I fail to understand why posting a pair of tits is such a controversial thing to do
Pizzacake makes a lot of feminist leaning comics which heavily criticize the patriarchy, male objectification of women and “creepy” men who comment sexual things towards women.
In light of that, a lot of people find it hypocritical that she’d sell pictures of herself online for dudes to jerk off to when that’s the exact opposite audience her comics tries to appeal to.
When the leak first happened, she presented the narrative as though her consent was violated and she was being sexually harassed by having private nudes released. When people found out that she was selling the photos publicy for money, suddenly it became aparent we werent talking about sexual abuse we were talking about piracy. It got a lot of people irritated for having been mislead, and then they started asking why the photos were there in the first place.
If she knows that she is the target of harassment campaigns, a lot of people are confused as to why she would post her nudes in a public space and not expect them to leak.
Given the fact she is a public figure who regularly makes comics out of her children, regularly gets doxxed and is targetted by hate, you would expect her to be a bit smarter about what she puts online. She’s been online for years but seeks to lack basic understanding of cause and effect online (or else she understands it all too well and plays the victim perfectly to promote herself by baiting outrage incredibly effectively).
The part of it that bothers me personally is that there are kids involved and there is a 100% chance that all the kids at her son’s school know and have looked up these nudes and her son probably gets bullied about it.
She has children so she has to be a paragon of virtue?
What?
A “paragon of virtue” is a person who is considered a perfect example of goodness and moral excellence. It implies they possess a high degree of admirable qualities like honesty, kindness, and justice, making them a role model of good character. The phrase is often used to describe someone who is perceived as flawless or exceptionally virtuous.
I never used this term sorry, I’m not sure what you’re reading.
She has
childrenan online business so she has tobe a paragon of virtuehave basic OPSEC?Yes, everyone should practice OPSEC, but a public “celebrity” who’s sole business is online doubly so.
Operations security (OPSEC) is a process that identifies critical information to determine whether friendly actions can be observed by enemy intelligence, determines if information obtained by adversaries could be interpreted to be useful to them, and then executes selected measures that eliminate or reduce adversary exploitation of friendly critical information.
A parent should simply include their kids in the calculus.
She has an onlyfans
Yeah. I recommend a drink.
I’m here to tell you I just dislike the comic itself, I don’t even know about any controversy. I see that shit, I close it and downvote. Nearly as bad as Family Circus.
Don’t know what family circus is but yeah I don’t really like her comics and would much rather discuss why instead of talking about the unrelated BS.
Maybe because the comics rarely have any substance to talk about. Besides, I don’t want to see or support someone’s work when they threaten people with litigation for making fun of and criticizing their comics
That’s why I blocked her.
Same. I have no problem with her or her comics. But whenever I see one being posted, I sigh and ponder whether to open the clusterfuck that the comment section will be.
take it from someone who knew better and did it anyway, don’t engage the clusterfuck.
Another daring and controversial take from Pizzacake.
I’ll block anybody I see posting ai crap regularly. I want to see as little of that garbage as possible.
it’s annoying when power users contribute 90% quality content and 10% slop
Just did that a minute ago.
Until these comments I didn’t know there was any drama around PizzaCake but goddamn this comic … content, its content.
I’m not even sure this counts as drama. These people are addicted to wallowing in negativity. Gives me r/questionablecontent vibes, a subreddit about a webcomic where people purport to hate it but continue reading it every day just so they can get mad about it.
Like, I strongly dislike the Far Side, but despite how frequently it gets upvoted I don’t go into every comment section to talk about why. I just blocked the sub and scroll past it when it shows up in other subs. The behavior in these threads is pathetic.
Why on earth would you hate the Far Side?
The art is awful and the jokes are either literal nonsense or annoyingly simple. Same kinda stuff being said in this thread. Same reasons anyone dislikes a comic. Just doesn’t resonate. I can’t say why people decide some stupid shit works for them and other stupid shit doesn’t.
It’s definitely absurd, that’s very much the point.
And that’s the punchline
wait, people hate Questionable Content? fucking why?
Hate is a strong word, but it wasn’t really that interesting after a while.
I can’t really make an argument against that, considering that I stopped reading it years ago. Although I’ll deflect blame and say that was due to my rss reader of choice being killed (google reader), so I stopped reading webcomics in general about that time.
I can understand why people might not like it. In effect, it’s a sitcom with a gimmick, and there’s tons of those on television (I actively despise all of them). I’ll defend questionable content though because it has a setting and cast of characters that I’ve become invested in. However, I can see what it is, and I understand that it’s not for everyone.
However, however, CONTEXT, specifically this conversation. People are allegedly hating on Jeph Jacques just over on /r/questionablecontent just as hard as people are hating on pzzacake here. And to that I reiterate: fucking why?
Soap opera in comic form is exactly how I thought about the comic after a while. But yes, actively hating it is a bit harsh.
Just looked at the comic for the first time in years, and I am massively impressed by how his artistic skills have improved. Look at the current page vs page 1. If I didn’t know better, I would not believe that it was done by the same person.
That’s a valid opinion. Really doesn’t explain the hate-readers, though.
Maybe people just got sick of seeing it posted? I’d never actively seek out a Pizzacake comic, but I do point out the many shortcomings when they show up here.
They could have blocked the sub instead of commenting every day and harassing the separate QC-sub that actually liked the comic. In contrast to Lemmy, on Reddit it’s actually really easy to block comics you don’t like, because they were usually posted to their own subs (and possibly even by a separate user, sometimes even the creator themselves like the Extra Fabulous guy) instead of a general sub/community like c/comicstrips.
It became too “woke” compared to its early days (IDK why people who complain about that kind of thing ever read it, it never catered to rightwingers).
I haven’t been reading it in years, but even back then there were multiple gay/lesbian main characters. The subject of ai civil rights (obvious minority allegory) was a somewhat frequent topic. I vaguely remember there being a couple pages dedicated to how the human/machine war never happened because a couple researchers decided not to be dicks to their freshly spawned ai and instead treated it with compassion and empathy.
the comic was always woke, we just didn’t have a monosyllabic word for it back then.
At the start it was pretty hetero and white, IIRC. Dora might always have been bisexual, but it’s easier to ignore if it’s an informed trait rather than something that’s actually visible. But I think the big giveaway that it was never going to go where rightwingers would want it is the way the main character interacted with these people.
