To ensure our mission always comes first, Proton is transitioning to a non-profit structure and formalizing our promise of people before profits.
  • theonetruedroid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 months ago

    I’m happy to see this announcement. However, just transitioning to a non-profit does not make an organization good. They can still be greedy and take advantage of their user base. That being said, it seems Proton’s mission statement resonates with a non-profit type structure. When you are accountable to the shareholders, they become the priority.

      • j_elgato@leminal.spaceEnglish
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        9 months ago

        “Perfect is the enemy of good.”

        Bad, also, is the enemy of good…

        I think maybe good walked into the wrong damn neighborhood.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Cool. I switched to Tuta because it fits my use case better (2 domains, one for my personal email and one for everything else). I don’t need any of the bells and whistles Proton has, and I also don’t want to pay extra to get more domains. The Tuta app kinda sucks, but it gets the job done. I’m hoping my wife and kids will be interested in private email, but they don’t seem to care, and I don’t think they’d like the tradeoffs.

    Now, if Proton revises their tiers, I might be interested. Give me something like the Tuta tiers, and I’ll probably switch to it. I prefer the UX of Proton, but $10/month is a bit steep for me, especially since I’m not going to use the other stuff they’re bundling in (I use Bitwarden for PW manager, have my own NAS, and I prefer Mullvad over Proton for VPN).

    That said, it’s super cool that they’re going non-profit. When that’s done, I’ll give it another look.

    • doctortran@lemm.eeEnglish
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      9 months ago

      Problem with Tuta for me is its too closed off.

      Proton at least offers an IMAP bridge, Tuta utterly refuses to let you use your email outside their apps, which makes it more of a messaging app. And the fact there’s no way to export everything easily or even forward messages rubs me the wrong way. I tried them and have been using them for about 2 years but I’d definitely love to get away from it.

      I’m tired of these walled gardens. I don’t give a damn how secure it is, if I can’t leave it with my shit, then no thanks.

  • karpintero@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 months ago

    That’s refreshing to see in a world of ever increasing enshittification. Wish more companies move in this direction.

      • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        I think it might be because AI (aka LLMs) is genuinely useful when used properly.

        I use AI all the time to write emails. I give the LLM the email thread along with instructions like “I can’t make it Tuesday ask if they can do Wednesday at 2pm”

        The AI will write out an email that’s polite and relevant in context. Totally worth it.

        I think the problem is people/companies trying to shove LLMs where they don’t make sense.

        • plasticcheese@lemmy.oneEnglish
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          9 months ago

          I am not a fan of this. I see it all the time at work and it’s very obvious when someone has chatGPT write an email for them (it’s always such a sterile and yet overcomplicated writing style). If it’s a direct email to me, I tend to feel insulted that they couldn’t be bothered to write those 4 paragraphs themselves - it would have taken them 2 mins. There is a definite human disconnect going on in society at the moment, and its worrying.

        • mipadaitu@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 months ago

          Why not just write “I can’t make it Tuesday, can you do Wednesday at 2pm?”

          Otherwise we just end up in this world.

          • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 months ago

            You’re not wrong but at least my emails will be taken seriously by some 60 year old company exec that’s still mad his secretary stopped printing his emails for him.

  • Eikov@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 months ago

    If so, will they re-think tiers? Or maybe they could give the option for users to choose what they need exactly and what they’re willing to pay? (i.e current Proton plan that costs 8-12€ per month is too much for me, but I would gladly pay like 5€ monthly for little storage, VPN and few email aliases)

      • ccdfa@lemm.eeEnglish
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        9 months ago

        I don’t think this plan supports P2P. You’re still on the free plan with the VPN.

        Edit: Looks like I was wrong. I remember needing to switch to a better plan to get the P2P but I guess I was wrong.

        Edit 2: There is some inconsistent information on the Proton site regarding what is included in each plan and this seems to be the source of our confusion in this thread.