bunch of greedy fucks.
greed should be a registered mental illness that’s no different than OCD, schizophrenia, or PTSD.
Everyone is greedy. It’s just rational maximization of profits. You do too. Or would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
Or would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
I already have. I could make so much more money with my skillset doing incredibly antisocial things…I choose not to.
Example?
That profit comes from externalizing pain to others while capturing their livelihoods.
To call not doing that “voluntary waiving parts of your salary” is incredibly manipulative.
First these people aren’t salaried, they’re mercenaries, and of course their “compensation structure” ensures they’re largely free of the tax burden that the people they prey on have to endure.
Second, just because you can do sonething doesn’t mean it’s the rigth thing to do. Not that these people have had a moral belief once in their lives.
It is reallt aberrant all the evils that have been laundered in the name if money.
I think the better question is why do we allow these sick individuals to carelessly wield chainsaws around us?
There is a difference between wanting to live comfortably, which is rational, and actively seeking ways to exploit others for your own gain beyond what you need to live. Greed isn’t “I want to have enough”, it’s “I can never have enough”.
Society has always thrived on a measure of generosity. So many cultures have customs around giving gifts, because that’s how you build a support network of people that will help you out when you need it. Greed is shortsighted and destructive.
Or would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
Depends on the reason. If the waived amount goes to paying for healthcare, support someone suddenly unemployed or maintain infrastructure that I or other people need? Sure.
No, most people do not seek out competitor businesses (or even businesses in other sectors like in this case) so they can fire all the human workers in the hope of making more money.
Non-tax-deductable donations are a voluntary waiver of salary. Most people have ethics and a conscience, its just the greedy minority that fuck it up for the community-minded majority.
It’s just rational maximization of profits.
No, it really isn’t. It is rational to consider all upsides and downsides (profit just being one) of a decision and then weigh them according to your own personal priorities before trying to achieve an optimal result. This very rarely results in profits being the only priority.
A huge portion of the Netherlands works part time by choice. So, yes, many people voluntarily waive parts of their salary.
I would if I could have healthcare, but US.
would you want to voluntarily waive parts of your salary?
Yes, I tend to vote for increased taxes to invest in education, environment, social welfare. And yes, that includes progressive taxes that hit me harder (as long as that also applies to the wealthy), and vice taxes that target my vices
In the meantime ask your boss for a lower salary so your company can make more profits.
Hopefully you can see the difference between working for someone else profit, vsinvestments in all of our well being and a more fair tax structure
Every country needs a more fair tax structure. Sadly a lot of people don’t seem to get that here in NL (among other countries). Even the left doesn’t really want to fix it. since increasing social security for the lower class makes it so the middle class pay a lot more taxes percentage wise.
In the US we do that to some extent but not for the wealthy. Somehow we ended up with upper middle class paying the highest rate, then tax rates dropping as you get wealthy. It’s fair that I pay a higher rate than someone with less income, but very much not fair that I pay a higher tax rate than wealthy people
Is that actual rates? Or is the looking at different kind of taxes? I was talking about income tax + social security if you get it.
People with massive company structures can always pay less tax. Or at least less at this point in time. The only way to change rhis if every country works together to fix it
So there is levels to greediness? You can call for higher taxes to have your conscience clear so you can be greedy elsewhere?
Everyone is greedy. Nobody wants less income if it affects their quality of life.
True, but there’s no reason that can’t coexist with a sense of fairness, and witha long term greater good
Of course I don’t want to pay more taxes. However I realize I’ve been more successful than some, and a more progressive tax scheme is fair. I realize I have vices and don’t mind if there is a discouragement, as long as it applies to everyone fairly. I realize my success is based on a successful society and understand it is only fair to leave society in at least as good condition as I found it. Most importantly I have kids so I’m all for building a better future for them …. And understand that includes the society they will live in, the environment they will live in
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Don’t forget the MBAs. The original motherfuckers who ruin everything.
I’ve never seen anything good come from companies with the words “equity” or “capital” in their names.
Shareholder value? Capital gains? Golden parachute? These are all great things if you belong to the owner class.
Could the Big Four be in danger?
The movie Outsourced (2006) didn’t foretell AI, but it did a pretty good job foretelling how the offshoring trend was going to unfold.
Going to add that to my watch list.
Dang! You meet my approval as a movie buff. That wasn’t a widely available film.
I liked the first half of the film, but it abruptly turns into a different movie. The second half isn’t bad, but it’s not what I wanted and it’s not what was advertised in the trailers and marketing.
lol accounting….
How easy will it be to fool the AI into getting the company in legal trouble? Oh well.
Some would call it effortless, even.
The idea of AI accounting is so fucking funny to me. The problem is right in the name. They account for stuff. Accountants account for where stuff came from and where stuff went.
Machine learning algorithms are black boxes that can’t show their work. They can absolutely do things like detect fraud and waste by detecting abnormalities in the data, but they absolutely can’t do things like prove an absence of fraud and waste.
For usage like that you’d wire an LLM into a tool use workflow with whatever accounting software you have. The LLM would make queries to the rigid, non-hallucinating accounting system.
I still don’t think it would be anywhere close to a good idea because you’d need a lot of safeguards and also fuck your accounting and you’ll have some unpleasant meetings with the local equivalent of the IRS.
The LLM would make queries to the rigid, non-hallucinating accounting system.
And then sometimes adds a halucination before returning an answer - particularly when it encournters anything it wasn’t trained on, like important moments when business leaders should be taking a closer look.
There’s not enough popcorn in the world for the shitshow that is coming.
You’re misunderstanding tool use, the LLM only queries something to be done then the actual system returns the result. You can also summarize the result or something but hallucinations in that workload are remarkably low (however without tuning they can drop important information from the response)
The place where it can hallucinate is generating steps for your natural language query, or the entry stage. That’s why you need to safeguard like your ass depends on it. (Which it does, if your boss is stupid enough)
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But ERP is not a cool buzzword, hence it can fuck off we’re in 2025
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Hey boss. Think they’re using chatgpt for that?
This is because auto regressive LLMs work on high level “Tokens”. There are LLM experiments which can access byte information, to correctly answer such questions.
Also, they don’t want to support you omegalul do you really think call centers are hired to give a fuck about you? this is intentional
I don’t think that’s the full explanation though, because there are examples of models that will correctly spell out the word first (ie, it knows the component letter tokens) and still miscount the letters after doing so.
No, this literally is the explanation. The model understands the concept of “Strawberry”, It can output from the model (and that itself is very complicated) in English as Strawberry, jn Persian as توت فرنگی and so on.
But the model does not understand how many Rs exist in Strawberry or how many ت exist in توت فرنگی
I’m talking about models printing out the component letters first not just printing out the full word. As in “S - T - R - A - W - B - E - R - R - Y” then getting the answer wrong. You’re absolutely right that it reads in words at a time encoded to vectors, but if it’s holding a relationship from that coding to the component spelling, which it seems it must be given it is outputting the letters individually, then something else is wrong. I’m not saying all models fail this way, and I’m sure many fail in exactly the way you describe, but I have seen this failure mode (which is what I was trying to describe) and in that case an alternate explanation would be necessary.
The model ISN’T outputing the letters individually, binary models (as I mentioned) do; not transformers.
The model output is more like Strawberry <S-T-R><A-W-B>
<S-T-R-A-W-B><E-R-R>
<S-T-R-A-W-B-E-R-R-Y>
Tokens can be a letter, part of a word, any single lexeme, any word, or even multiple words (“let be”)
Okay I did a shit job demonstrating the time axis. The model doesn’t know the underlying letters of the previous tokens and this processes is going forward in time
Makes sense to me. AI bullshit generators may be worse than useless for most of the things people try to do with them, but they might just be the perfect tool for rationalizing the systematic looting of formerly productive companies by private equity.
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Isn’t the MO for venture capitalists to run businesses into the ground, make them owe debt to themselves, cannibalise businesses from the inside and then run away with a profit while they bankrupt?
Not surprising to make a decision that kills a business because the entire point is to kill the golden goose
I know almost nothing about finance, by choice, but isn’t that equity fund managers that do that? Regardless, I reckon it’d be pretty funny if all equity funds were made illegal by the Criminal in Chief because they have the word ‘equity’ in them.
Why is that even legal? It doesnt benefit society in anyway, just hurts it by removing work places. I dont know how it works finically but at least it sounds like it could also be used to evade taxes with that debt bullshit. Is this using some loophole in existing law or is it something that doesnt have anything restricting it?
They’re called Vulture Capitalists and they make a lot of money destroying companies like this. There’s no law against it, it’s just buying a business and running (killing) it as they see fit. Livelihoods of employees don’t matter, they’re just assets to be sold as well.
Its like if there was no law prohibiting stealing if you just do it in certain way, or arson. I wish there was something one would do about it, but its so damn difficult to resist even by saying something should be done about it since vast majority of people simply dont care or dont want to say too much if they do. I wonder if it has always been like this even in the past or if it turned like this at some point.
PE firms do that, VC wants a return of thier investment.
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No human should work in a call center
Having worked in a call center (doing survey research) during college, there are a lot of people employed by such places who really wouldn’t have many employment options anywhere else.
I remember saying, while there, that the entire industry would be replaced by AI in 10-15 years. They all scoffed, saying they had ways to get people to answer surveys that an AI wouldn’t be able to do. I told them they were being naive.
Here we are.
That said, I do worry about some of those people. Just because they were borderline unemployable doesn’t mean they were worthless.
There was a lot of talk about that when the call centers were sprouting up: generally poor jobs, minimum wage, and liable to be outsourced or ai’d. They were generally put places where there were no real options so those towns are going to suffer when it all goes away
doesn’t mean they were worthless
Not what I said, on the contrary.
It’s a horrible mindnumbing job and anyone deserves better.
The avg of employment is 6 months.
Some don’t make their targets and get fired, most find a less shitty job.Oh don’t worry, I wasn’t accusing you of saying they were worthless. I was just voicing my own concern for some of my former coworkers.
I worked in one. It was just a job and not that bad.
Could be but it depends, inbound helpdesk is not the same as outbound selling stuff with targets to be made and clients to convince.
Can all you money-grubbing psychopaths just fuck off and stop ruining everything please?
Rich psychos: FUCK NO!
Wait, it’s all scams?!
I don’t think this is as dramatic as a lot of you are saying it is. It works or it doesn’t. This is what VC should do
Then you need to look into how private equity works.
They buy mature companies, often with borrowed capital, and then place the debt on the purchased company. They essentially make companies take on a massive loan to buy themselves from themselves, except the private equity firm ends up the owner.
The company then goes into overdrive trying to pay off the debt, while the firm makes changes intended to make the company “more efficient”. All while paying themselves “consulting fees” and “bonuses” for stepping in and “helping” the company do better.
This usually means mass layoffs, dumping assets, paycuts, restructuring…
Best case scenario, the company was already failing, and now it fails faster.
Worst case… The company was doing perfectly fine, making a sustainable living for its employees. And then it gets purchased by a private equity firm.
Suddenly everything is on fire. Not a single penny can go unpiched, workplace comfort unsacrificed, or employee unoverworked. And that that is the new norm, is the good ending.
Private equity makes money by killing the golden goose, and then finding another. And then another. And then another.
I don’t know much about private equity. So I appreciate the explanation. But that all just sounds like modern business to me. It’s a product of who we are and what we allow.
What do you mean “but”?
This doesn’t produce anything. It removes jobs instead of creating them. And by the end there is one less company in the system.
I wrote in response to you saying this is what they “should” be doing. That it would either work, or not.
But this is working sustainable businesses being butchered for their value on the meat market, rather than operated long term.
It most certainly isn’t what they “should” be doing.
If this is the best way to make money, the rich will continue to do it instead of starting new companies. That is not going to have pleasant long-term effects on the world.
Have you ever used a chatbot for technical support? It’s infuriating. Yet the industry is barreling in that direction before the tech is ready, customers be damned. This is not what VC should do.
Have you ever had to use an indifferent college student that barely speaks English for technical support
Sometimes the people who barely speak English are more technically competent than English speakers. Sometimes not. They are just people. But I’d rather work with a person
I wouldn’t
LOL. If you have to buy your customers to get them to use your product, maybe you aren’t offering a good product to begin with.
Plenty of good, non-AI technologies out there that businesses are just slow or just don’t have the budget to adopt.
There is another major reason to do it. Businesses are often in multi year contracts with call center solutions, and a lot of call center solutions have technical integrations with a business’ internal tooling.
Swapping out a solution requires time and effort for a lot of businesses. If you’re selling a business on an entirely new vendor, you have to have a sales team hunting for businesses that are at a contract renewal period, you have to lure them with professional services to help with implementation, etc.
That stood out to me too. This is effectively the investor class coercing use of AI, rather than how tech has worked in the past, driven by ground-up adoption.
That’s not what this is. They find profitable businesses and replace employees with Ai and pocket the spread. They aren’t selling the Ai
It only works until the inevitable costs from the accumulated problems due to AI use (mainly excessivelly high AI error rates with a uniform distribution - were the most damaging errors are no less likely than little mistakes, unlike with humans who can learn to pay attention not to make mistakes in critical things - leading to customer losses and increased costs of correcting the errors) exceed the savings from cutting down manpower.
(Just imagine customers doing things that severely damage their equipment because they followed the AI customer support line advice and the accumulation of cost as said customers take the company whose support line gave that advice to court for damages and win those rulings, and in turn the companies outsourcing customer support to that “call center supplier” take it to court. It gets even worse than that for accounting, as for example the fines from submitting incorrect documentation to the IRS can get pretty nasty)
I expect we’ll see something similar to how many long established store chains at one point got managers who started cutting costs by getting rid of long time store employees and replacing them with an ever rotating revolving door of short term cheap as possible sellers, making the store experience inferior to just buying it from the Internet, and a few years later those chains were going bankrupt.
These venture capitalists’ grift works as long as they sell the businesses before the side effects of replacing people with language generators haven’t fully filtered through into revenue falls, court judgements for damages and tax authority fines and it’s going to be those buying such businesses (I bet the Venture Capitalists are going to try and sell them to Institutional Investors) that will end up with something that’s leaking customers, having to pay mass8ve compensations and having to hire back people to fix the consequences of AI errors, essentially reverting what the Venture Capitalists did and them spending even more money to cleanup the trail of problems cause by the excessive AI use.
They’re VCs, they’re not here for the long run: they’ll replace the employees with AI, make record profits for a quarter, and sell their shares and leave before problems make themselves too noticeable to ignore. They don’t care about these companies, and especially not about the people working there
And when the economy goes boom, they will ask their friends in the White House for a bailout
Better yet, they buy a company, take a loan out against the company, pocket the cash and then leave the struggling company with the extra debt. When it dies they leave the scraps to be sold and employees and others owed money are left out to dry.
They’re rent seeking douchbags who don’t add value to shit. If there was ever an advertisement for full on vodka and cigarettes for breakfast bolshevism it’s these assholes.
If you thought your service was bad now, it’s gonna get worse.
Isn’t that what we call “Innovation” in our capitalist society?
You build a thing. Pour your blood sweat and tears into it. Some VC goon buys it during a downturn. They fire most of the staff. Strip the copper out of the walls. Make the service shittier and shittier until all that is left is its faltering brand recognition then sell it all for a bundle to the very next sucker they can?
Innovation is enshittification these days. It used to be invention, where entirely new products and materials came about. Then there was innovation, incremental improvement coupled with price hikes. Now “innovation” seems strictly rearranging deck chairs with worse service, and reducing employee count for increased profits.
In the 90s it was “selling it for parts” where the market value of the whole company was lower than the component parts, so buy it on the open market for a bargain, then slice and dice and profit.
These days, they’re squeezing the lemons for all they can get.
The “corporate raider” existed before that, infamously thanks to people like Frank Lorenzo dismantling Eastern Airlines in the ‘80s or Icahn to TWA. The late ‘70s and early ‘80s were rife with corporate raiders.
I am so glad I got out of IT before AI hit. I don’t know how I would have handled customer calls asking why our chat is telling them their shit works when it doesn’t or to cover their computer in cooking oils or whatever.
And only after they banged their head against the AI for two hours and are already pissed will they reach someone. No thanks.
Thank god I can troubleshoot on my own.
When VC and PE call a company or industry “mature” it means they don’t see increasing revenue, only something to be sucked dry and sold for parts. To them, consistent revenue is worthless, it must be skyrocketing or nothing. If you want to see this in action right now, look what Broadcom is doing to VMWare. They also saw VMWare as a “mature company”.
Fuck Broadcom. We’re still dealing with that bullshit, as there aren’t a lot of viable alternatives at the enterprise scale.
Broadcom management deserve gulag
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