I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.
After all, they haven’t fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.
Kids just gotta run faster is all.
I wonder if the FSD disengaged mere seconds before impact so Tesla can blame anything but their shitty software.
It’s a Tesla, so probably mistook the dummy for an immigrant. In other words: Within specs
Did they try it with a lighter colored child?
Kid should have moved for the musk mutilater 2.00.
This is a fitting allegory for AI.
Yeah. Yeah, can’t use it in any failure-sensitive field right now.
No more than you could use a human who periodically hallucinates (and that means you are NOT good to drive, give me them keys XD )
Much like the mass shootings in the U.S., there’s literally no solution for this. /s
Where is Luigi
Well, what are we 'aposta do?!
Strangle these defenseless corporations with the same kind of regulations we continue to create and impose on small businesses? Do you even know who their father is?!
You got the strangle part right.
only a tesla could collide with the very road it’s driving on
I get that’s not what “hit the road” means but I stand by what I said
So, the USA people are the beta testers, i guess.
only Texans… (with the robotaxis)
Thoughts and prayers.
Texas state legislature has passed a law making it illegal for cities to pass laws more restrictive than the state laws and Austin which is known to be full of progressives. This makes it a perfect place for Tesla to beta-test it’s software. They’ll kill people likely to vote for Democrats.
Put some respect to their name, off course they are alpha (males!) testers.
Might also explain why they’re the only ones that seem to have all this knowledge of a population crisis that no one else is aware of.
Thank God for the technocratic elite, and their foresight to know their plans for greatness will almost certainly wipe out the entire U.S. population. Hazard of being part of the unwashed masses, I guess.
Glad they are doing all this while they simultaneously argue that a loss of our personal liberty is a small price to pay for their protection. If they weren’t keeping us safe from… ::gestures vaguely:: China(?) then who would?
Worth saving this article for future class actions. Go go go!
Can’t wait for the robo taxis to get vandalized.
Barring that, can’t wait until they fail miserably.
This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it’s clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.
For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.
Except the big danger with fully self driving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths. So such a glaring safety flaw will have numerous opportunities to happen in real life - humans do not make good safety features in cars; thats what the self drive stuff was for.
Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can’t let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a “genius”. The guys a moron.
They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths.
So no different to in non self-driving cars then.
Linus tech tips recently reviewed a car with semi auto self driving. It can keep you in the lane and at the right speed. He said it’s perfect for school zones because he knows he doesn’t have to watch the Speedo and give that extra attention to watching for kids walking out. I have to agree with him, there is a school on my commute and the speed drops to 20mph. I let the car do that bit while I worry about little (or sometimes big) feet.
Would I trust that system to spot a child before I do? Not a chance.
That’s why I use the speed limiter in residential areas. I can’t drive faster so I don’t have to check the speed. But when I take my foot of the pedal, the car slows down.
Outside residential area and on highway I use the adaptive cruise control.
The article doesn’t mention anything about where the cars will be driving in Austin, but I reluctantly took a Waymo from the airport in Phoenix to a hotel and it did really well. Even slowed down for a guy who was jaywalking.
It ended up taking longer than expected because apparently they’re either require or trained on different roads than you would normally take (e.g. no highways). It did such a good job, though, that I ended up taking a Waymo a second time while there.
All this to say that it may not be ready for all roads, but is ready for some. Definitely still scary though.
I am optimistic about self driving, just not Teslas. Unlike other self driving cars, Tesla is exlusively reliant on cameras. Others, like Waymo, have cameras, lidarr sensors and radar.
It’s weird–Tesla at least projected some sort of ‘higher-end’ quality back when they first started coming around but as time has gone on it’s proven itself to be a very cheaply-made vehicle.
The fact they insist on using their proven-inferior tech for FSD tells you all you need to know: they aren’t looking to innovate or even bring themselves up to modern standards. They are determined to make their cars with the cheapest, shittiest tech and they’ll just grease the right palms in order to proceed as necessary.
Elon’s success as a businessman beyond being very good at self promotion is that he’s a brilliant cost cutter. SpaceX exists as it does today thanks to his exceptional ability to make people do great things with the least amount of resources and processes possible. The problem is at this point he has bought in too much into his own myth to the point he’s a caricature of his own self. Sensors are expensive and ugly, so he doesn’t want to use them and his argument is that humans don’t have sensors, only eyes. Which is a fine philosophy if you’re trying to create a system that is as dangerous as humans behind the wheel but I thought the idea was to make something better.
Waymo is really interesting - you probably wouldn’t guess it, I’m a cautiously optimistic autonomy person! Waymo is already 12x safer than human drivers, that’s brilliant, I love that.
Teslas will (allegedly) start on a small, low-complexity street grid in Austin. exact size TBA. Presumably, they’re mapping the shit out of it and throwing compute power at analyzing their existing data for that postage stamp.
The rub… that all points out the obvious danger of rolling out the wild-west FSD that Tesla drivers are currently employing everywhere else. If it’s safe enough to trust to drive your car for you, why does it need a ton of additional guard-rails to operate without a safety driver?
Teslas will (allegedly) start on a small, low-complexity street grid in Austin. exact size TBA. Presumably, they’re mapping the shit out of it and throwing compute power at analyzing their existing data for that postage stamp.
Lol where are the Tesla fanboys insisting that geofencing isn’t useful for developing self driving tech?
Yeah it’s scary to think about. There should be laws though that you’re still 100% at fault if you were not driving during an accident. I imagine another issue with FSD is government having a backdoor into your car to immobilize you or whatever they want. Part of me is in favor of that, but of course that a huuuge responsibility that can be abused.
The fun part is tesla FSD shuts off just before accidents, so you’re always the one at fault.
I believe Waymo has a better set of sensors (Lidar + Radar+ Cameras instead of just cameras), more processing power, and more research / time / resources spent on it compared to Tesla.
So it’s not that we aren’t ready for self driving taxis, and more about which cars are ready to provide that service
I think Waymo is also trying to prioritize safety. I was in San Francisco recently and took one, just out of curiosity, from my hotel to a Giants game. It seemed to stop when pedestrian traffic got heavy instead of going all the way to the stadium. So, like three blocks from the stadium. No biggie. I might have told a human taxi driver I could walk from there.
I’m not sure if it’s a California regulation or Waymo trying to play it safe but I will never get in a self-driving car regulated by Texas and designed to the specifications of one of history’s biggest dumbasses.
Working with cities to regulate self-driving and plan out specific routes/infrastructure was always going to be the only path to widespread adoption but Elon was too busy grifting off bullshit claims like everyone’s Teslas moonlighting as self-driving taxis and paying for themselves.
Texas is a shithole that only exists to serve businessmen at this point.
That’s why elon and republicans love it so much.
Makes sense. There were sensors alll over that thing.
That’s part of the reason Teslas are not well-suited for this. One camera, each direction, with no other sensors to help make decisions, is a really bad way to ensure safety.
Humans normally have two “front facing cameras” (i.e. two eyes) so we have depth perception. We also process light differently than cameras do so infrared light (for one) doesn’t affect our decisions. We also have ears so the sound of a loud motorcycle engine tips us off if we just see a spec in the distance. We also use context clues to help our decisions, like if other drivers change lanes quickly we are extra observant of road obstacles.
Not that technology can never be as good as a human at driving, but we use a lot more than a single “moving picture” to decide what we should do.
To be fair, the Tesla vision system has 3 cameras facing forward. One in the center above the front bumper grille and two behind the rear view mirror. Those two provide some level of stereoscopic vision to help judge distances.
But yeah, the lack of other sensors is a huge issue. Anything from bug splatter to mud to snow etc. can easily obscure one or more cameras and render the whole vision system unreliable.
We also process light differently than cameras do
To expand on this a little further, human vision has also developed the ability to filter out unnecessary information in order to avoid overloading the brain. When tracking moving objects the eyes mostly send deltas of the movement to the brain. Computers, however, are the exact opposite. The cameras essentially send a series of still images, and it’s up to the computer to compare them to look for any movement.
It’s because it was so good that it knew it was a dummy and not a child /s
If their “AI” wind shield wipers could identify…rain?..I’d be more hopeful about identifying a child.
