Ahhhh, so my ps5 is the most superior PlayStation still, good to know.
It’s not, but it’s the most reasonable purchase.
Price Has No Limits™
PayStation ∆◯╳☐
for that value just get a pc honestly not a locked down freebsd based console
No joke. A decent gaming pc can be built around that price and be used for so much more. Even cheaper if you hunt for used parts.
People who buy consoles do it for the “press a button to game”.
Not necessarily because they don’t understand pc’s, but because they don’t want the faff.For me, console gaming was for when my desktop rig was doing a video export or 3d render. It was when I wanted to sit on the couch and not be too invested in what I was playing with.
true and if you really want that console experience install smth like bazzite,holoiso,nobara home cinema edition (non immutable),etc and dualboot windows for app compatibility you can use playnite on windows to make it look like a ps5
That sounds like a lot of hassle for someone who doesn’t want hassle.
Why can’t you just plug in a random-ass USB 4KBR-disc drive?
Or sell one that we can use to bring in games from PS1, 2, 3, 4 and 5? And state that the drive will be able to be used going forward, into the next gen and beyond.
They’ve got a rich gaming history at this point and they don’t care because they’d rather sell you an $80 digital copy that they can take away at any time and you can’t trade it in or really own it. And it’s the same with PC games as well, courtesy of Valve and then everyone else.
If the future is digital, we need laws that allow us to transfer ownership of digital content. It would have to be secure, obviously. Not just “steal somebody’s console and trade all their games in”.
On the idea of random drives: Many of them might not be able to read the encryption on Playstation discs. I could be wrong, but I think the way they operate involves more than just software encryption. Sony is best off making their own. Hence why pirates burn special copies.
On reading prior generations: I think they’d be capable of reading those if they wanted, but running old Playstation games is more a matter of correct CPU architecture. Most of us have played old games on the new consoles, but often there’s a bit of manual porting/emulation logic going on to get it working - so the package delivered from PSN isn’t exactly would come from an old PS2 disc.
IIRC the Xbox 360 used to do a thing where you’d put your old OG Xbox disc in, and it would download any extra code it needed to run. Most of these older games would be under a few MB of actual code.
Pretty sure the PS5 is powerful enough to run PS1 and PS2 emulated, and probably have a good crack at running PS3 games as well, although a lot of the good PS3 games got a remaster for the PS4 gen anyway.
I think the only thing stopping really us doing it now is the PS5 drive can’t actually read CDs. Plus I think they want to test each game before release and sell us them on PSPlus tiers.
Yup, the Xbox does that; but it’s at least good to acknowledge that was not an insignificant effort on their part. They had a lot of people slowly putting out compatibility packages for old Xbox games based on popularity.
I’m guessing Sony doesn’t feel like doing that when they can also provide that hardware via more expensive cloud systems.
I’m pretty sure that would run you about the same as the external component, so there’s no benefit to going with a third-party accessory
Yeah, looking at the prices, it’s about right for what it is.
Suppose the upshot of using a generic component is you could also attach it to a PC.
Looks like the long term goal of them is to stop selling discs altogether. I couldn’t even get BG3 on a disc when it came out, and I think Alan Wake 2 was the same (only physical copy I can see is the deluxe version with both AW1&2 on it).
I see the mythical digital savings never made it to us, to the surprise of absolutely fucking nobody. I wouldn’t mind if they actually put games on a discounted price after a year or so, but you can still see several year old games at the full original retail price.
Wow, was waiting on the pro to drop, but now I giess I’ll just pass the ps5 generstion altogether. This sucks ass.
The PS5 is good enough if you can afford one
You can buy a whole-ass computer for $700 and it won’t charge you a subscription fee just to turn it on.
Personally I think it’s only worth it if you have the standard ps4, if you have a PS4 Pro you’re not really getting all that much from the ps5. Graphics are a slight upgrade, still not actual 4K and the ram is nice but performance wise it’s somewhat similar, usually your biggest reason to jump from one generation to the next is exclusives and game availability, but the PS5 has been absolutely atrocious at trying to obtain games that work only for the Ps5, every big name developer out there is still making releases that work for both consoles due to the fact that there’s still so many people that are running the PS4. This is a very different outcome then when the PS2 and the PS3 was released where yes they still offered it for both consoles but two or three years after launch they had more or less left the console in the dust, and here we are almost 5 years later and they’re still making games for both platforms
Load times that don’t take ages with the internal SSD of the PS5 is a huge boon too
I haven’t really noticed much of a difference load time personally, but yeah if the game required massive load times it was shortened as well
You can’t share or sell the games… Looks like a bad investment…
Wait are you talking about without the disc drive or even with it?
What do you mean? If it does not have a drive, you can’t give a disc to anyone.
I realized that that’s terrible when I compared prices of Assassin’s creed games a few years ago.
I got AC Origins and AC Odyssee for 15 dollars (for both) on ebay. In the PS store, it was still 59.99 dollars for one (120 dollars for both). And technically, I can still sell both physical games for 10 dollars…
You can still get the disc drive for it though. I mean, it is fucked up its sold separately but it isn’t just no disc drive availability at all.
You can get a disc drive for it, but it’s $80 extra.
I forgot abou that
All good points in the comments, but something I haven’t seen a anyone talk about yet:
WHY is a DISK DRIVE $80??? All it does is read a disk. Any encryption on the disk would be decrypted on the console. External disk drives are like $20. If you specially brand them maybe you could go up to $40.
But $80? That’s like a Gameboy Advance. That’s a miyoo mini plus. That’s an entire console in itself.
Blu-Ray never really took off as a mass-market format so the drives are relatively obscure and expensive without the benefits of manufacturing at scale.
But $80? That’s like a Gameboy Advance. That’s a miyoo mini plus. That’s an entire console in itself.
Bruh, you can even get 2 or 3 DS lites for that price
Ah, I should have been more specific. Back in the day I got my GBA new for $75 retail. (With inflation that’s probably a lot more now.)
Used DS lites are great, especially if you can fix the broken hinges and screens.
DS Lites imo have always been the best on the retro console value curve
That’s actually below market value for an external 4K UHD drive.
You’re right! My point no longer stands. Removing the disk drive would then save about $100 from the console, which makes sense to remove if you’re cutting costs and most players play digital anyways.
~also if you’re pushing digital games.
Digital doesn’t have a secondary market which is the real reason. No money is made when you give away, sell, or share your physical games.
Props for accepting a counterargument on the internet graciously. Not something we see often.
I have no incentive to play the latest and greatest software and hardware, but that’s just me here.
799€ here, 920€ with a disc drive. That is stupidly insane for a console. We’re almost breaking the 1000€ barrier for an “upgrade”, not even the new generation.
I’d bet my money Sony is just testing the grounds to see if they can set PS6 price in a few years over the 1k barrier.
This tbh
There’s little incentive to not go with a gaming PC instead, or to not just wait for the PS6 since I’m sure it will be cheaper
How are you sure? No one else seems to be…
Because Sony knows it won’t sell if it isn’t $600 or less. They’ve learned from experience.
Nah I’m good with my 2017 jailbroken switch with free games lol
What games are even worth it? Sony has like 5 'must play" exclusive games on their console
For me it’s literally just EA Sports College Football 25. I’ll be playing it for years (my brothers and dad have a family tradition of playing a college football dynasty mode together every year) so that makes a console worth it for me…probably not the PS5 Pro though.
It’s EA. You’ll be playing it until they randomly decide to turn off the servers.
Well…most EA games you quite even before the support ends. But not this one lol
I’d have lobbied for us to do an offline dynasty if I wasn’t going to be moving out in a year or two.
Putting the 5 in PS5
Sony has exactly one must play game you can’t play on a computer and I still own a ps4 for that one game, and believe me when emulation gets slightly better I will have a new Linux computer shaped suspiciously like a ps4
So what makes it pro?
Not having a disc drive.
Same as the PS4 Pro: it’s significantly more powerful, has more storage, can actually do RT well, etc.
The price seems crazy to me though.
E: it’s occured to me that the PS5 Pro pricing is likely a (comparatively small) release that they can test the waters for a $700 PS6.
If they release the PS6 for $700, it could backfire and compromise that entire generation, giving MS a foothold (we saw how MS ran away with the 360 when Sony botched the PS3 launch, and subsequently how MS lost all that momentum when they botched the XBone launch, and Sony ran away with the PS4).
If they test the waters with a PS5 Pro it doesn’t matter all that much if they have to capitulate and drop the price.
Don’t show Sony that the market is willing to pay $700. The PS5 Pro being accepted at $700 will guarantee a base PS6 at about the same.
“Significantly” Going by the comparison Sony felt large enough to brag about there’s hardly a noticeable difference
An uplift of ~45% in overall performance, ray tracing going from awful to decent, hardware-accelerated upscaling (like DLSS) isn’t “hardly noticeable” unless you don’t have eyes.
And more storage and WiFi 7 may not be as flashy (hah, SSD storage, flash-y), but they’re nonetheless improvements.
But, you know, if that’s not good enough for you, don’t get one. Nobody’s forcing you. I know I have no desire for one, (especially not for $700!) I’ve been console-free since my 360 had a red ring of death.
I think the trick is that the normal PS5 is already $450 (no disc drive) or $500 (with disc drive).
So do the features on the Pro version provide an extra $200 to $330 worth of value?
So far, as a PS5 owner, I’m not seeing it.
Only if you don’t have one already. Some of the more intense games graphically have shit upscaling so they shimmer. If higher internal resolution can fix this while running at good FPS, it might be worth it for some people
Remember that you still can’t build a gaming PC for $700 that performs similarly.
Also explains why they raised the price on the normal PS5 - “Well, the Pro isn’t THAT much more…”
From what i heard, the ps5 doesn’t really have a problem with performance, unlike the ps 4.
Uhhh. Maybe I’m a little TOO far from the console crowd but I’m going to say this anyways.
Who tf cares? I’m a PC gamer and I’ve been without a disk drive since 2009.
I will happily admit it is definitely a different situation. For one, this would essentially give Sony a monopoly on games. Which would mean that they would never lower prices and gamers have no one to go to other than them. You know what I’m talking about, all the same shit that Nintendo has been doing for years.
I guess that I’m just curious how many people dislike this.
They don’t want you to own* physical media anymore.
Yar har
Hoist the jolly roger!
I mean, I don’t want to either. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love physical media. That way they can’t take it away!
Not a console user, but can you actually still play games from a disc without an sony account and internet connection?
It was pretty much a given that this would happen, since there were already options with and without disc drives.
And obviously sooner or later gaming will probably move to an entirely online service like streaming.
It’s just a matter of time until the internet and worldwide coverage is ready for it. I always imagined that in a distant future we’d basically only buy a controller, that connects to an app that’ll let you stream. And every game will be in a subscription service like a Netflix.
Nah, they won’t do streaming cuz it’s too expensive.
Well, for now it is. Latency is also a big issue
No, it will always be more expensive to do streaming unless you run everything on crappy hardware
Physical media or full rejection. Fuck you business school zombies squeezing blood from rocks
