• Captain Howdy@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    The irony in this is fucking delightful. No one wants Americans using this kind of brain rot social media. Maybe that’s a sign…

  • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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    There has been no official announcement that such a change is coming, but Reddit commenters speculated that possibly the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) was requiring a change to stop American TikTokers from using the app to influence Chinese citizens.

    Ah, that trustworthy and unbiased group of China experts that are Redditors

    Two sentences before this they were explaining quite clearly why chinese users might actually be bothered by the flood of american users and why they might want the ability to filter by IP region, but because some redditors speculated that the SeeSeePee doesn’t want the Americans to spread their freedom-loving germs to their country then that must be why they’d do it, if that rumor were to be proven true

    • Syntha@sh.itjust.works
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      4 months ago

      TikTok is banned in China, so why would anyone ever expect this would be different in this case?

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        They have Douyin (it’s a carbon copy of tiktok). Rednote released a public statement welcoming US users, no evidence that what this article implies is being considered at all. The evidence is a reddit post. You are responding in agreement to a propaganda rag.

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          They blocked the TikTok domain in China. What would you call that, if not a ban?

          You are naive if you believe they aren’t going to sever the communities. That was always going to happen.

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            The only vibe I get from you is “15yo who just learned about politics”.

            AN: read this user’s comment history lmao

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      This was the turn of events anyone who knows anything about China and the CCP (and how closely they control businesses there) would have expected.

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      Imo it’s more sad than hilarious. US users and Chinese users meeting each other on the platform and discovering they are interesting people who actually have a lot in common sounds like what I’d wish the internet to be.
      It’s not surprising, and I get the irony, but I feel more sad than amused.

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        You know, the news about Chinese and American users comparing their worldviews seemed weird to me because it reads like this is the first time Chinese and American users have interacted and had the chance to talk “candidly”.

        My first thought was, “Why the fuck is this news? It’s not like Chinese users can’t interact on American platfor—”

        …oh. Right. The great firewall.

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    I tried to challenge some ideas in World News and I guess asking questions about Chinese censorship is xenophobic. Now I’m banned for not being pro Chinese censorship.

    • IndescribablySad@threads.net@sh.itjust.works
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      .ml

      There’s your problem. If they stated their rules, rather than forcing people to figure them out by trial and error, I’d have less of an issue with it. Like, lemmygrad is explicit in its intent and they state it outright in their rules. Lemmy.ml plays it too coy, and so comes off as incredibly manipulative.

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          I wouldn’t take it seriously, they gave me a month long instance ban for saying a federal representative democracy is by definition a type of democracy.

          “American propaganda” or something.

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                  Uhhh yeah. The Constitution establishes a federal democratic republic form of government. That is, we have an indivisible union of 50 sovereign States. It is a democracy because people govern themselves. It is representative because people choose elected officials by free and secret ballot.

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                  God, shut up nerd, like your red fascist bullshit and their one party elections were or are better. Do you want to hear that it’s a flawed system? It is. All states are and should be abolished.

                  Still a type of democracy, and still more democratic than anything Russia or China have ever managed.

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        Just asking questions instead of excusing it all under the guise of propaganda. I have no doubt some of it is, but all of it?

        • GodlessCommie@lemmy.world
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          When our government has a long history of direct lies it’s safe to assume everything they say is a lie.

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      Oh gosh, I thought you meant .world World News for a minute there. Yeah the problem is .ml, they’re tankies.

  • reddig33@lemmy.world
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    Go for it. I have my doubts that there is really any mass migration of English language users to an all Chinese website to begin with. The whole thing feels like a propaganda campaign.

    • john89@lemmy.caBanned
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      4 months ago

      What did the FUD surrounding Tiktok (and Huawei) feel like to you?

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        There is a lot of hatred towards minorities, but there’s also a lot of acceptance of them that would be out of place in most of the world.

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        Oh come off it mate. It’s not hard to see where the US has lead the charge in topics such as LGBT+ rights or racial equality, and it wasn’t from Asia or Europe let me tell you that much.

        They may have a shit ton of flaws, and have a large part actively trying to undo all their work, but they have still done so much positive.

        Look at the timeline for marriage equality for instance, they were right up there with the first wave leading the global surge. That doesn’t happen if you’re full of hatred for them.

        They’re a dichotomy of amazing social progressivism and brutal conservatism.

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          This timeline? Where the US is nearly the last of any western nation to legalise gay marriage?

          And isn’t your country actively trying to work back any progress you’ve had in the last decade? Trans rights, queer rights, women’s rights, minority rights.

          Also isn’t it Americans who are pushing the most for anti-LGBT legislation in African countries?

          Canada is falling down the same hill when it comes to trans rights, and it hurts me, but I’m not out here saying that Canada is any sort of leader in the field. I recognise the issues my country has and I’m going to fight to fix them.

          Knock off the American exceptionalism for one second and deal with the problems your country has

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            Mahatey, it’s not my fucking country or American exceptionalism because I’m not American eh?

            This timeline:

            And you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think Canada is not one of the best places in the world for rights. Go take a holiday to 90% of the world and let me know how they treat women or queers.

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              Didn’t realise you weren’t American, sorry for assuming. Admittedly I’m very jaded right now (and a bit drunk) with all the threats of invasion and with Americans either laughing it off or being all for it (and I recognise that’s not all Americans but it’s enough). Like, “haha, Canada will turn the USA blue!”

              And fine, yeah Canada is pretty up there for LGBT rights, but when one of the main platform points (imported from the USA!) from the Conservatives right now seems to be just straight up attacking trans people, it makes me pretty worried. I have multiple family members and a few friends who are trans or non binary and the rhetoric is scary.

              But TL;DR, not angry at you, just America(ns). I apologise to the good Americans, but your country is exporting a lot of bullshit right now. More than usual

              • john89@lemmy.caBanned
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                American here. I would love for us to come up and take over your country.

                You piggyback on our military, and I believe any detriments to Canada will be balanced by benefits to America.

  • HeyJoe@lemmy.world
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    To bad they didn’t hear about Loops. I don’t use this stuff so I have no idea if it’s good or not, but it’s not Chinese or collecting your data so it would be worth a try. Although if 400k users flooded it I have serious doubts they could scale to meet a demand like that.

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      Is it federated?

      Not sure why we’re all excited for the next centralized platform. We should be rolling up our sleeves and figuring out ways to implement decentralized protocols so anyone can their platform.

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      Tiktok is for westoid plebs… They got different agendas for daddy’s property v their own subjects

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    Wait - so this is the CCP directly censoring a whole worldview from its citizens.

    But I was told on several lemmy threads that the CCP lets their users consume any content, and all the censorship is American propaganda to make the great leader look bad.

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    So, I cannot inform the Chinese about Mao murdering over 70 million people who disagreed with him and his CCP thugs. What about the Tiananmen Square massacre?

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    A wee quote from the author of the original little red book …:
    “the two slogans – let a hundred flowers blossom and let a hundred schools of thought contend – have no class character; the proletariat can turn them to account, and so can the bourgeoisie or others. Different classes, strata and social groups each have their own views on what are fragrant flowers and what are poisonous weeds”.

    Seemed a good idea at the time (1957?), remember how that trick evolved thereafter …?

  • Jin@lemmy.world
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    Worse part is that Chinese people overseas will no longer be able to connect with friends and family.

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      Wechat will always be allowed overseas and is the main method of communication, but the account creation process is of course a little more detailed than simply signing up with a phone number.