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Sure. Only problem is, it’s a people issue. Some people making ai generated content may be honest and willing to abide to such rule, but most are proud to not even read the rules and just blast shitty slop left and right. For this second category of people, when you point it to them, a very small percentage of them goes “oh, sorry”. The vast majority just keep posting until blocked.
Granted, this experience mostly stems from every media posting sites out there, so it may be a bit biased…
Also, you can’t really regulate other countries. Especially if that country is China.
Maybe all digital content just shouldn’t be trusted. It’s like some kind of demon-realm or something. Navigable by the wise but for common fools like you and I, perilous. Full of illusion.
I’m more like a moron fool, but ok.
Most photos taken or edited on a cell phone are enhanced with AI. Where do you draw the line?
A.I. generated 👉here is the line👈 A.I. enhanced
so if I use an AI engine to do in-painting on an existing image, then that’s fine? This image is AI enhanced:
Would it need to be tagged? (obviously should be tagged NSFL)
All of your points are valid, it is hard to draw definitive line, but so will be hard moderating the content because there will be people not giving correct tags to their posts, so even if there will be specific labels for “A.I. generated”, “modified using A.I.” etc people still will avoid using them, intentionally or not
That is AI edited, not enhanced
But not AI generated!
Is it? Or did I make it in Gimp?
That will do 👌
Would you also want one for everything photoshopped? I fail to really see a difference. What if I train an AI to use photoshop? Then what?
Photoshopping doesn’t use a fuckton of energy and water and starve actual artists.
That would be interesting: a tag that gives you a rough idea of the energy used in creation. So if some one did it with only solar power on a local model that would handle column a.
Text, sure. But I don’t get the hate towards AI generated images. If it’s a good image and it’s not meant to mislead, I am completely fine with AI content. It’s not slop if it’s good.
It’s still stolen content. Regardless of any other issues, it’s 100% stolen content.
I am torn on that. If it’s a company making money off of it, despicable. If it’s an open source model used for memes? I’m fine with that. We shouldn’t act like artists follow some magical calling from god. Anything anyone creates is built on their education and the media they were exposed to. I don’t think generative models are any different.
Normalizing is a thing, on top of that there are still indie markets that can be supplanted by gan image generation. On top of that artists still have rights to their work, if they didn’t explicitly license their works for the model, it’s theft that removes the value of the original.
this bullshit again…
Yes, just because you disagree that your new toy is literally theft and is one of the most irresponsible inventions since leaded gasoline, that doesn’t change anything.
Sorry you’re the type of person that added lead shot to your gas tank after they banned leaded gasoline.
Sorry you’re the type of person that added lead shot to your gas tank after they banned leaded gasoline.
Well that devolved quickly. People with attitudes like yours make other people really not give a shit what your argument is. Also makes me know you can’t or won’t understand that I don’t really care what happens to AI, and that since there is no data taken it cannot be stolen. But you cant understand that I guess, and we have the same tired arguments.
At least I am some what happy that the corporate control is getting taken down by open source, that models are being jail broken or freed, and that people are realizing the what we have are only LLM’s and generative noise algo’s: not AI.
So I assume you are morally opposed to piracy?
There’s a pretty clear difference in the two. If piracy ended in a new digital good that removes the market for the original good while eliminating the jobs of those that made the original good, then it’d be close. Even then pretty much everyone agrees not all piracy is the same; you wouldn’t pirate an indie game that hasn’t sold well unless you’re an absolute piece of subhuman shit.
I really enjoyed the “Hobbit: Extended Edition” project which condensed the three films of the Hobbit trilogy down into a single film, and as an unofficial fan-made project, is only available online for free.
Under that proposed gradient, I’m not sure where that would fall, given that it is a transformative work which uses the work of others to make them redundant (in this case, the original trilogy and the studios which would have otherwise profited from those sales).
I feel like there’s a better way to divide it, but it will be difficult to negotiate the exact line against the long-held contradictory ideas that art should both be divorced from its creator once released but also that the creator is entitled to full control and profit until the expiry of its copyright.
well uh, idk how to break it to you but it kinda does.
Piracy doesn’t equal a 1:1 sale, that argument is true, however that argument works with both AI and piracy plus it goes both ways.
The more people who do it via the free method, the less people who /may/ have bought it via the paid method. Meaning the less profit/earnings for the affected party.
However, since it goes both ways, obtaining the item via the free method does not mean that they would have purchased the paid good if the free good wasn’t available.
Both versions the original market is still available, regardless of method used.
I highly disagree that piracy and AI are any different at least in the scenario you provided.
if anything AI would be a morally higher ground imo, as it isn’t directly taking a product, it’s making something else using other products.
Being said I believe that CC’s should be paid for the training usage, but that’s a whole different argument.
It’s not solely about pay, but also what your work is used for. It makes sense you don’t understand this if you’ve never created anything, artwise or otherwise. If I draw a picture I control who displays that picture and for what purpose. If someone I don’t like uses that picture without permission it reflects poorly on me, and destroys my rights.
The easy example is an art piece by a Holocaust survivor being used by a neonazi without permission.
Now imagine you steal tens of millions of artists work. You know for a fact you don’t have the licenses needed to ensure their work is used to their liking.
Just accept the internet is a mess and stop taking it serious.
Like i have always done and always will.
It is available on R34, Hentai and Porn Website.
Truly we are just improving our tech to goon. LOL
Tech progress has always been driven by humanity’s desire to either kill or fuck someone. I, for one, prefer horny-based progress. Make love, not war, and all that.
we need more innovation in the intersection of killing and fucking, perhaps by designing more realistic fuck-dolls that can have explosives rigged to them to trap and kill soldiers.
/signed
I think ai posts should only be posted on ai communities so I can block them all at the same time.
Seriously. Even for memes and funny stuff ai needs to fuck off.
And the fact that everyone even calls it ai when it’s not even close to being a vi is infuriating.
Dude… or should I say, dude??? 🤖
Compling
Yeah that about sums it up
A lot of people seem to think that all ai art is low effort garbage, which is just not true. There can be a lot of skill put into crafting the correct prompt to get the image you want from an image generator, not to mention the technical know-how of setting it up locally. The “ai art is not art” argument to me doesn’t sound any more substantiated than “electronic musicians aren’t musicians, go learn a real instrument” or “photographers aren’t really artists, all they do is push a button”. But regardless, I agree that we need good tagging, or as @ThatWeirdGuy1001 said, different communities. Even though the output looks similar, actually drawing things and wrangling prompts are two completely different skillsets, and the way we engage with the artistic product of those skills is completely different. You wouldn’t submit a photo you took to a watercolor painting contest. Same with ai art and non-ai art.
Anyway, just thought i’d share my opinion as an ai non-hater.
For art to be art you need space to express yourself through individual choices:
- play an original song on a real instrument, and you have the entire artistic spectrum to yourself
- if you make the music for it out of individual pieces, you narrow that range. The sounds are not yours, only their composition and words
- when you record a cover of a rap song over some elses beat, you further narrow it down to your performance only. Its still artistic expression, but to a much less degree than an original song
In a prompt generated image, the image itself is not your expression. The prompt is, but comparing the amount of choices you need to make with a painting over a prompt, its just so… less art?
In digital art, the image itself is not your expression. The idea is, but comparing the choice of shaders you use with brush strokes done with real paint, where you can see and feel the emotions the artist wanted to express with their physical brush, it’s just so… less art?
political posts should have a tag as well, so people can filter them out. people just bluesky, pixelfed, … instead of lemmy because of all the politics here.
omg yes. it’s so difficult getting someone to join Lemmy and giving them a list of terms to block if I know they won’t like politics
“Wait, everything is politics?!”
“Always has been”
your mother is politics too?
She must be political because she’s always against me.
Yeah, we need to stop all the politics in here!
Strokes his penguin over the head
fuck corporate media, but this is something instagram gets right
Ew, steve chowder the naziin all honesty i just know the meme 🤔
The person in the picture is a piece of shit right wing commentor.
fixed
Thanks for mentioning this. I was so confused at these comments. Vincent may be a terrible guy, but he ain’t a Nazi.
Here’s a better version for you friend
next time 👌
There are two versions of Calvin & Hobbes that could be used in his place.
Personally, I don’t really care.
I do enjoy some types of AI content, I do not enjoy others. Same as any other type of content. So that tag would be useless for my personal preferences.
Anyway nsfw tag is made not for moral reasons, but to avoid those images showing when you are in an environment that’s not proper for them (basically so it doesn’t look like you are watching porn at work), this makes no sense for AI content, So I don’t see the point besides some kind of persecution driven by a particular ideology. So I don’t support it.
Will never happen
