• Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee
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      But black coffee and espresso are two completely different things. Are you suggesting instead they get an Americano?

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        No, you can easily take espresso-based beverages “black”, too. Or rather, you can easily make them not-black by adding milk, which is pretty common for americanos.

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          Sure, but then you’re taking it in small cup form rather than as a larger volume drink. That still makes them two very different things.

          If I want a nice, large margarita, telling me I can have a couple shots of tequila misses the point. Nothing against tequila, but a mixed drink and a shot are different enough that one is not a substitute for another.

          Same with espresso. Americano is much closer in form factor to a latte than straight espresso. And more to my post’s point, most times when people say black coffee they mean drip.

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        Filter coffee. Only way to have it.

        I’ll go as far as Turkish coffee, but Americano doesn’t taste good at all.

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    I don’t understand why you’d drink a soy caffè latte, because I don’t understand why you’d drink a caffè latte, because I don’t understand why you’d drink any type of coffee.

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      Oat milk is good, but I can’t figure out how to make it foam up really nicely like cow’s milk when making a latte ): that’s about the only time I drink milk nowadays, so the lactaid is right next to the machine.

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        “Barista” oat milk has been common for like a decade. How have you both never seen it and never found out about it?

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          I got my espresso machine last week 😅 I spend a good amount of time researching the pros and cons of the machine itself and the details of how to do the whole “make espresso” thing, but I am quite new to all of this.

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        Get an “extra creamy” oat milk. Some brands even make a barista blend. The extra fat helps to form a fine and stable foam

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        It depends on the brands I guess. but if you drink it like that and with coffee, its not amazing.

        But mixed with cereals, cocoa it’s really good.

        There a brand in France that makes a vegetal milk with, macadamia, hazelnut, and almond. It’s truly delicious.

        I’ve started drinking milk alternative because I would get belly ache when drinking cold milk. And I saw the episode on kurzgesagt about milk. Where they say it’s better for the environment.

        In the end I’m still eating regular dary like cheese and yogurt.

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        I get that, some brands don’t taste good at all. Weirdly enough, I really like the great value stuff. Planet oat or whatever’s decent too

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      I also enjoy the occasional oatmilk latte but recently was reading something about how oats have all sorts of pesticides that can make their way into the milk

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        Is there an agricultural product that you eat that does not contain pesticides in some quantity?

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          Probably not but something like oatmilk could be consumed daily which i guess is where the problem comes in

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            So you eat nothing else but animal products daily…? What you read reeks of fear-mongering with a good dose of “don’t think about it” thrown in, which clearly worked on you.

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            As compared to onions, garlic, potatoes, bread, cereals, or fruit? I’d put adding 4 oz of oatmilk pretty low on our pesticide exposure list.

            Shoot, you should look up how American garlic’s been produced for the past few decades. It’s really disturbing and likely introducing pharmaceuticals back into human foods.

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    Btw, is there a evolutionary cost to creating lactase? Because, why do we stop with it usually and only keep it if it has huge advantages?

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      I would guess that humans have been around for what, 250k years? And that the vast majority of that didn’t involve a whole lot of milk after age 4.

      So it wouldn’t have been to much advantage to be able to metabolize lactose.

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        No, there is, you get more from your cattle, and on a individual level, less likely to starve.

        Keeping Lactase happened at least twice; north europe and a group in west africa.

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          Saudi Arabia too. I assume that camel milk came in pretty handy in early tribes surviving the deserts.

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          Sure, if you a) keep mammals around and b) drink their milk. I’m not convinced domesticated animals have been a thing for all that long, evolutionarily. Long enough for some groups to have adapted, sure. We have adaptations for cooked food, too.

          [Searches] Cattle probably around 10k years ago.

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          It’s easy to break down into glucose, which is important for bodily functions. Gluconeogenesis is a thing, but it is inefficient.

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    Completely wild to shit on soy milk in coffee.

    Like, if you’re trying to be toxic about your coffee, how do you even justify diluting the coffee with milk in the first place? Can’t even do toxicity properly, get real