I’M OKAY WITH MAKING A WINDOWS ACCOUNT. I’M JUST NOT OKAY WITH MY ~/ PATH BEING
C:/Users/Jacobuedhbcuycbdhh55674c4bhdncy6448774/THIS CAN ONLY BE FIXED BY CREATING A LOCAL USER AND THEN SIGNING IN
Maybe your parents should have picked a better name then.
Is that how it is these days? If I log with my Microsoft account on a Windows device, the username used is only part of my first name. It always annoyed be that it was cut in a very unnatural way and I had no way to change it. I searched for some way to fix it and what I found said it was auto generated way back in the first time I used it on a windows pc and that it was saved in my account in some attribute that nothing ever updates.
It is insecure to create one account with username and password during the setup process. The password should always come from your password manager. But you would not have access to your password manager during the installation process.
Please remove this step.
You also would not have access to your password manager when logging into your OS, would you?
Your new account will be online. Can access OneDrive and everything Microsoft Online offers. That means anyone with internet access can try to login to it so it has to be very secure.
Windows Hello can be used for local login. But I agree with you. I would love to be able to access my Keepassxc vault during the login process. But that might be hard to archive so better to use Windows Hello.
Biometrics are not more secure than a good password.
While that is true, logging into your OS can also be done via 2FA, namely via a smartcard. It’d offer a similar protection to it, if not better.
Fair point, but good luck convincing them about it.
This change ensures that all users exit setup with internet connectivity
And what if someone doesn’t have internet connectivity?
no computer for you
windows is not user friendly
Exactly!
My answer to everyone saying “but Linux is hard…!”
No, it’s DIFFERENT!!
If using Cinnamon was your first learning experience on a computer, you’d think Windows is the worst user experience in the world!
I’ve been using computers long enough to know how to do my own tech support (also working in IT for a few years now, it sure does help). Been using Mint daily for more than a month now and I’m convinced average people can use it (or equivalent : Ubuntu, Pop…) hassle free.
But people must also accept to learn a bit about computers. Most don’t know and don’t want to.
I switched to Linux a few weeks back and setting up the work printer on my laptop took 2 seconds as opposed to the normal 10 minutes. I was gobsmacked
I’ve always thought that Unix (and therefore Linux) was much more internally consistent and accessible than Windows ever was.
Everything is in places that kind of make sense, there’s heaps of documentation that comes with the system, you can set it up how you like it, you can see everything… There are actual logs that aren’t hex gobbledygook…
Exactly. And if you use a desktop like Cinnamon or KDE Plasma, it really isn’t that different, other than how you install software. I fully believe anyone can use it. Especially since the majority of computer users tend to only use them for browsing the web, email and light gaming. The learning curve is minimal.
Microsoft it the best ad for linux.
More and more people just need to switch to Linux and grow the userbase so more and more proprietary software create Linux builds just like how Maya and Davinci Resolve are available for Linux. If your computer is a web browser, you should be on Linux. Firefox, Chrome, Edge are all on Linux
If you’re a casual photo editor, Darktable. A casual photo editor can probably be well served with GIMP or Krita. If you’re a web browser and digital painter Krita. If you edit videos, Davinci Resolve and Kdenlive. Office - OnlyOffice, Libre office, WPS Office
Or you can always pay for Wine and help it develop. Usually popular applications work well.
Didn’t Microsoft do the same thing with Windows 10 and EU prevented that?
Yup and this change will neither apply to the EU nor Enterprise 11 Customers. Guaranteed.
To be fair, this is home and not pro.
It doesn’t state anything of the sort in the article. Where did you read that?
Perfessional experience installing windows.
I too have installed Win11 Pro several times on computers, captain obvious. I know you can do that now.
I am asking that how did you reach to the conclusion that they won’t remove it in later builds from the article itself.
Good to know, but I will never sign into windows with an MS account at home. Fuck everything about this. It’s either old build or 11 or still use 10 for the games I like, or I use Linux. Use that primarily as it is anyways.
Indeed I am also the same.
Do they still make enterprise/ltsc/iot versions for 11? Because those are usually the ones that don’t treat you like a child, and I expect them to retain that
They do indeed, Enterprise still comes with a load of bloat thesedays.
There has always been join domain under sign in options.
Good to know, that’s what I use on my 10. Didn’t know if 11 has it since it never really appealed to me.
Well, if I’ve got no way to bypass it (when setting up for customers), I’ll create an account specifically for this purpose.
And proceed to poison the hell out of any data it sends.
Does it still let you sign in locally if you disable network interfaces in BIOS?
Does it still let you sign in locally if you disable network interfaces in BIOS?
Don’t think so. The setup itself can’t complete without internet.
Man it must suck to set up a computer now on restricted networks.
Windows computers that is
I’m spiteful enough that I would have returned my new laptop (despite needing it for a trip in a couple of days) if I hadn’t been able to bypass the account requirement by disabling the wifi.
What still pissed me off is that it would restart itself after downloading updates if it was left idle, and there was no straightforward option to turn that off. (I think I managed to break that “feature” but who knows how long that will work.) Turning my computer off is never acceptable unless I initiate it. It’s about as obviously wrong as walking into my house uninvited or borrowing my stuff without asking me.
That was one of the things that drove me away from Windows. Coming to my desk in the morning to see my computer on not sleeping because it woke up to apply updates or some other shit pissed me off.
Just one of the many ways that with Windows, my computer didn’t feel like I was in control of it anymore.
With Linux, I’m in complete control and it feels so good. Also knowing that I’m not giving out data just by using my computer is great. And FOSS is just cool.
And FOSS is just cool.
It’s such an underrated feature of desktop Linux. The fact that if I experience an issue with a piece of software, I could find the program’s source code and browse issues to see if anyone had a shared experience. And if not, I could publicly submit an issue which the developers and other users/contributors could help resolve. And if you’re brave/experienced enough, you can take a crack at fixing it yourself and potentially resolving the issue for other users!
On windows/macos which both fail to foster robust foss communities remotely comparable to Linux, the best option more often than not was sending an email to some support address that either never gets checked, or only replies with canned messages. After which you’ll never know whatnif anything happened to your report.
Couldn’t you just reinstall windows with an older ISO to bypass this? That’s what I already do at work anytime I need to setup a new machine, gets rid of the manufacturer supplied
programsbloatware. Plus Rufus has an option for triggering the bypass command automatically.
So happy that I switched to linux. Microsoft has been one of the main forces of enshitification of the world. Fuck em. I cant play a bunch of games with my friends anymore, and I have to learn a few new CAD programs, which is like 10 thousand hours of work that I am flushing down the toilet. Worth it.
My 1st desktop had Windows 95 on it. It worked OK. A few years later, I bought a laptop pc with WindowsME (Millennium Edition), and it became the last Windows product I’ve owned. A work colleague installed Windows 2000 on that laptop, and it worked for a couple months, until I got my “blue screen of death.”
At that time, they started selling the ePC notebooks, available with WindowsXP or Linux (the XanderOS) I stepped out of my comfort zone, and got the XanderOS variant, and have had Linux computers since. I’m currently using Mint on an old Panasonic CF-30, and Ubuntu on 2 laptops built by System 76.
My wife likes Mac, but I’m not a fan. My kids get a pretty rounded experience, between using their moms Mac, their dads 2 variants of Linux, and their Chromebooks at school.
did you ever PC game at all? If so, I’m curious what you did for work around. The main thing holding me back right now from jumping into the linux world before the end of Win10 support is how much I game and use Premier Pro and Photoshop.
I just installed Linux Mint out of curiosity parallel to Windows on my tower.
I was suprised, that everything (drivers, bluetooth, dual monitors,…) worked out of the box- and since valve has strong support for Linux nowerdays due to their adaptions for the steamdeck, steam was already offered to be installed from the sw center.
I was able to install and successfully play games without any issues.
So from a gamers perspective: it is worth to invest the ~two hours setup time to give it a try ;)
I’m in my mid-50s. I play Warzone 2100 and BOS wars on my computer. I’ve has Steam for several years, and have a game there…I think it’s “World of Goo.” I like to stick to games that serve as stress relievers, and take no more than about an hour. Between owning a business, 2 teens, 3 schools, 4 sports, a wife, a house that would love to fall apart if I’d only let it, a lawn to mow, and 2 antique cars I love to keep driving, I don’t have much more time to let myself be sucked in to some of the really cool stuff I see.
I recently bought a replacement PS2 though…the old one broke, and I’m still in love with GTA Vice City. I usually just steal a cop car and do vigilante mode until I’m killed though.
Oh, you can set up a dual boot system, so you don’t have to completely jump ship. They also have setups that run entirely on a thumb drive now.
I did dual boot for a little bit when I want into business 14 years ago. While I liked Linux, I wasn’t sure I could run a business without Windows, but soon discovered that everything would be just fine without Windows, and got rid of it.
As long as you’re cool being a bit more restricted in multiplayer games (a lot work great! But some developers are blocking linux), and you’re okay with AMD (nvidia is improving though), gaming is basically on par with Windows at this point.
In some cases it’s even better. I have a few games that require weird tricks to get it to work under Windows, but work fine in proton. Even Elden Ring at launch ran better on linux because it didn’t have the micro-stutter issue.
That’s all well and good, what happens to your kids when they can’t tick the Windows and MSOffice boxes on job applications?
I’m not having a go at you, I’ll assume you’ve taught your kids how to approach the new and unknown in the IT fields, but if they have limited or zero experience with Microsoft products, they’ll be at a disadvantage.
Oh, I don’t discourage them from using/learning Microsoft products at all - they just don’t happen to be in our home, because as consumers, my wife and I don’t spend our money in Microsofts direction. While I can’t say it with accuracy anymore, because it’s been 20 years since my switch, one of the selling points with the Linux distributions was that some of them looked and felt like either Mac or Windows. My Ubuntu distribution looks pretty similar to my wife’s Mac, and the initial installation of Linux Mint, several years ago was made to look and feel like Windows XP. Honestly, the last time I touched Windows was before retiring from the US Navy, where the Submarine LAN was run on Windown NT - but I retired in 2009.
If my kids came home with a Windows PC, or the cheaper option, wanted to turn one of my laptops into a dual-boot machine, I wouldn’t care…more exposure to (that bad word) diversity in operating systems. I don’t think they’re missing out on not having Microsoft in our home though. Microsoft Word in the Tux world is Open Office, Microsofts Excel is Calc, etc…if you know one, you’ll be able to work on the other.
IMO, Windows without a Microsoft account misses out on the least features, when compared to macOS without an Apple ID, iOS without an Apple ID, or Android without a Google accout. Sad that Microsoft keeps making it more and more difficult to bypass logging into a Microsoft accout during installation. But I use Linux anyways (btw)
Android without a Google account is great though
That is nice, but I need the Google Play Services for push notifications on the messaging app that everyone in my country uses. It’s sad, I know. If it weren’t for that I wouldn’t log in to a Google account on my Android phone either.
Yeah OK, that’s fair. It’s really a shame how dependent notifications are on Google. ALl the other things - Mail, Photos, Drive,… - are a lot easier to replace.
A few weeks ago I helped one of my client’s employees set up their brand new laptop, which came with Win11 installed, of course. They just need it for basic work stuff and there’s no chance in hell anything other than Windows is a viable option here.
We work remotely so I would help them get set up to a point where they could at least share their screen to me, or I could take over via remote access myself, to finish the installation process. I just needed to guide them through the steps “blind” for a short while. Easy peasy, right?
So we go through the Windows 11 first time setup together. All seems to go ok until Windows asks them to log into their MS account or create one. No problem, we should be able to do that, right? Only that we can’t. We’re connected to the WiFi, etc., yet they get some generic ass error message like “Sorry, something went wrong” and that’s that.
Ok, so we can’t log in with an online account. Let’s try offline as a fallback! We set the username, password… “Sorry, something went wrong” again. We try to guess maybe it’s the password, it doesn’t match! Or it’s not strong enough! So we try all these different things for ages. Again, we’re getting no feedback whatsoever from Windows. Just “Something went wrong fuck you lol”.
I don’t use Windows myself, I’ve been a Linux user for years now, I don’t have any freaking clue how to remotely diagnose a vague issue that literally prevents them from getting the laptop to a functional state. So I Google the problem and the recommended answer is to run this magic “bypassnro” command. It will cut all the mandatory online account bullshit, move straight to a reliable offline account setup screen, and allow us to, you know, actually do work? And it worked!
If I hadn’t had that command at my disposal, that I was forced to use by Microsoft’s broken ass setup UX, I would’ve probably spent twice or three times longer coaching my non-tech-savvy client through booting into fail safe mode and doing all kinds of arcane sysadmin shit that I don’t even have to ever think about in Linux. All this just to get them into the desktop, on a brand new laptop.
And Microsoft have now decided to take it away. Nice one.
I was trying to set up win 11 laptop for my mom and ran into S mode, that took like an hour to walk my elderly mom through the steps to disable it so I could remote in. Finally gave up and grab a MS approved remote desktop app to remote in a disable the S mode, its s for Shit. Of course the other remote desktop app crashed. Sorry family, no more windows PCs for you
You could’ve just had your mom install linux and you wouldn’t have to remote in since theres nothing to do. Everything just works.
W10 LTSC has support until 2032 😎
What is Windows 10 LTSC? LTSC is the abbreviation of Long Term Servicing Channel. It is a stripped-down enterprise operating system based on a specific version of Windows 10. Windows 10 LTSC don’t have pre-installed apps such as Microsoft Edge, Cortana assistant, News, etc. Using the LTSC service model, you can delay receiving feature updates and only receive monthly device quality updates.
Holy SHIT they made a version with the worst stuff removed AND they’re going to maintain it longer? That is the version everybody should be using.
I’m slowly switching to linux but there are things I’m going to need Windows for for the foreseeable future, and I think I’ve found how I can make that happen. Thank you.
yes but they make it hard to access, and it has legal issues too so you maybe shouldn’t use it in a business setting
I discovered recently that they make the regular ISOs hard to access too. It didn’t want to let me download it from a linux machine.
But there’s always a way to access this stuff.
What are the legal issues?
licensing. both if you don’t plan to buy it, and if you do, because as I understand it’s hard to obtain, and maybe hard to keep too
That site’s ai protection won’t let me through. But if the issue is needing a legitimate license them I’m sure that can be overcome in other ways.
it needs cookies and scripts. but it’s just a reddit frontend, feel free to replace the domain with reddit.com or an other redlib instance
It’s used for industrial applications like manufacturing and whatnot, stuff that really doesn’t need to be updated regularly since the software is effectively legacy.
Hell, we’ve got tools from the 2000s still running Win2k.
Well I mainly want it to keep my VR headset running which nobody can get working in linux.
One of these days I’ll replace it and make sure the new one can run on linux, and then I won’t have much keeping me on windows anymore.
1809 gang rise up
1809
let me get my top hat and monocle
what happened in 1903 that made you say enough?
Thank you! I had no idea that this existed. This is a solution for me personally, but also a solution for our clusterfuck IT people at work that do not understand that we have hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts that need to be fulfilled with software that costs us $12 per day to use and probably wont run on windows 11, instead of breaking everything and migrating it to a software that costs us $32 a day to use but will work on windows 11.
I feel like this won’t stop anyone who was already refusing to use a Microsoft account for windows. Anyone who was already bypassing the account requirement will still do so, it just will be more difficult. They’ve accomplished nothing except further pissing off some of their most competent user base.
They’ve accomplished nothing except further pissing off some of their most competent user base.
I don’t think they’ve cared about the competent users for a very long time. They only want the users who click
OKorNextwithout reading or thinking.Yup. Competent nerds like us make up about 0.0002% of their earnings. The big business is in corporate, and the hordes of plebs as a distant second.
I’m positive competent nerds make up none of their earnings, because we’ve all been pirating Microsoft software ever since we were tall enough to reach the keyboard.