I wish I hadn’t gone down this rabbit hole, but according to study data, 1 in 6 people want to touch kids. https://theconversation.com/a-survey-found-1-in-6-men-admit-sexual-feelings-for-children-so-is-paedophilia-increasing-218124
Don’t worry. That article was awful and the reporter is ignorant of how statistics work.
First of all, it’s not all men. It’s “all Australian men.” And second of all, it’s not 1 in 6. It’s probably more like 1 in 20. Still a high number, but not as high as the reporter makes it out to be.
The reporter ignored that the data can overlap.
Sort of like saying:
Pete would never let anyone slap him. Joe says he is willing to be slapped for $1000. He would also do it for $500. He would also do it for $200. Based on the above, THREE men out of four would be willing to be slapped for $1000 or less!!!
I always knew there was something wrong with that these people were doing but couldn’t exactly put my finger on it and never talked about it because people would’ve yelled at me and used false dillema arguments like many people who criticized them back them recieved “You support pedophiles you removed”
Hell, KiwiFarms style tactics is becoming more and more common and mainstream. It’s on Lemmy too.
One of these groups that operate out of the Pacific North West employs psychologists to create profiles on people the contact online. They target non-sex related forums like grief or mental health related support groups online. They’ll spend as much time as needed to hook these men and make them dependent on their carefully crafted online personas and even drive away their outside support groups to isolate them.
Regardless of your opinion of these individuals, going out of your way to exploit a vulnerable person and turn them into something their not is incredibly fucked up.
This only happens because there is rarely justice from the state, in these cases.
How many clergy who are rapists still walk around, protected by the state?
Didn’t an entire TV show get into some serious hot water for doing this sort of thing which resulted in someone committing suicide while filming an episode? These people are potentially putting themselves in serious danger if they corner a pedo who feels like they have nowhere to run or anything left to lose.
That’s what I was thinking of. Thanks!
corner a pedo
And since these are internet vigilante kids with no oversight, they will inevitably corner some non-pedos too.
Put yourself in that situation- a couple teenagers with cameras approach you on the street and start accusing you of some of the sickest crimes imaginable. Even though the accusation is false, this has the potential to ruin your career, your relationships, your entire life.
I’m not sure how anyone would respond, or should respond, but I can definitely see how people might resort to violence when falsely accused of this horrible shit on camera.
The huge issue with these vigilantes is accusing someone of pedophilia, like rape, can have damning consequences on someones life. Beyond losing their job they could take their own life.
To catch a predator was a good series because it was a sting. They had adults pose as teens and bait pedos to a house.
You wouldn’t go to that damn house with the home alone teen unless you wanted to commit statutory rape.
Just happened here in Austria. Police took 20 people into custody (13 have since been formally arrested) for luring people to fake dates where they beat them up.
The suspects said they hunted pedophiles, but at least in some of the cases they targeted young adults who expected to come to a date with 16-18 year olds.
16-18 year olds
wouldnt those technically be Ephebophiles?
More importantly, it would not be illegal in Austria.
Imported US culture (movies, TV etc) has successfully planted the idea in a lot of people that teenagers under 18 are “essentially the same as little children”. So no one cares about technicalities.
Yeah, many normal, healthy people (even Americans) started having sex long before they were 18.
Teens having sex with other teens get arrested for age of consent violations all the time, especially when they’re gay and one of the parents is a homophobe
16 is the age of consent in most countries. Even a surprisingly large amount of US states have it there.
In mine the age of consent is “16” or within 5 years of your current age. Whichever is lower.
You’d still get a lot of weird looks, social ostracization, and mean comments but it’d be legal.
We actually had a case recently where a 16 year old had sex with a 45 year old in the latter’s van and the police couldn’t do anything because according to her she consented and 16 is within the age of consent here.
Raising concerns about whether the age should be raised. But no one expects anything to be done about it. I mean this state has a lot of Republicans in charge and I’m sure some of their mistresses are about to turn 16 themselves…
Exactly. Vigilante justice is not the solution here, it’s only going to get a lot of people hurt.
Especially when there are legitimate routes to volunteer under police guidance and jurisdiction. Join one of those groups instead, and let the legal system jail them.
If they corner anyone, tbh. This is a pretty ruinous accusation.
If they corner anyone, tbh. This is a pretty ruinous accusation
nah in the US they make you president for it
Only if you’re rich. I doubt these fuck sticks are going after rich people
No of course not, then they’d actually face consequences for it.
(Yes, I know there are people who do this to those who aren’t rich and still face consequences but I get the feeling that’s more of “the exception rather than the rule”)
Vigilantism is on the rise regardless, Either because the police are incompetent / carefree about the complaints. or because individuals are overzealous, dont undrestand or agree with the law, and decide to cosplay as the punisher.
Or because the facade of “justice” is crumbling to reveal the truth of heirarchy behind it.
Israel is a know destination for exposed pedophiles…
Great. Just dump anyone you dislike as a “pedophile” and then it’s a free for all.
especially when you have people like elon musk calling people they don’t like paedophiles and winning defamation suits over it by claiming he calls everyone paedophiles.
They are already doing that shit.
Hmm, I seem to recall Trump being a pedophile.
Yes.
They don’t actually care about pedophiles; a lot of them are pedophiles
When AI can create any image or video based on another person with their perfect face and voice, besides the scams that will keep increasing, the other great value of the tech is that we going to be able to create any proof and footage we want to incriminate whoever we wish.
They see them everywhere except in their own home
Nazis: If you support LGBT you’re a pedophile. And we’re already coming for you.
People, for some fucking reason: Pedophiles get fucked, do what you want to them, erase them at any cost!!
“Please hold this paper target in front of your face while I shoot at it.”
“Sounds dangerous but I see you are aiming at the paper so I should be fine.”
Nazis: If you support LGBT you’re a pedophile. And we’re already coming for you.
I’ll be waiting.
I monitor far-right groups pretty intensively and a good chunk of Paedophile Hunters are key organisers of said groups.
Its also not uncommon for far-right groups to be family operations where the adults will groom their teenage children into organizing and encourage their children to date other, often older, fascist organisers.
Unsurprising as most of the “pedophile hunters” are extremist by nature, so it makes sense why they would also subscribe to extremist ideologies like Nazism and queerphobia.
Look at how much conspiracy content especially after 2016 focused on pedophilia. A lot of it. That carried over into this
Reminder, those “Pedophile Hunters” don’t really give a damn about children.
They’re sadists who are out to hurt & kill
Oh hey, it’s “won’t somebody please think of the children?” taken to the streets for internet clout! Absolutely nothing wrong can happen there! /s
There’s one in the white house. Why don’t they seem to care about that one?
What this ultimately amounts to is the worst actors using a blanket justification to carry out revenge fantasies against whatever marginalized group they’re fixated on.
If you happen to be part of any of these marginalized groups, now would be the time to get armed and get dangerous. It would be great if we lived in a functioning society where this wasn’t necessary, but the failure of so many of our institutions is slowly rewinding our social fabric back to wild west times.
Does a criminal arrest and conviction not matter to anyone before ganging up to take someones life?
You would think an allegation serious enough to take someone’s life would be at least charged by some law enforcement agency, many of these crimes require they are reported by law, and a mandatory arrest must happen if it is reported. There should be no way for anyone to be free, needing to be hunted, without a criminal history. No distinction is made between someone with a criminal history and someone without, the allegation has become enough to destroy reputations, careers and lives. History is full of situations where an other type of label and class with no rights or due process is created. Then it is applied to people as needed to eliminate them. With LGBT stuff specifically, you see the lines between these labels being blurred. Even in Russia they have blurred the lines between LGBT, child abuse, domestic terrorism and dangers to national security. It doesn’t take much imagination to see it be applied in the U.S. QAnon was proof that anyone can be labelled by a large number of people with real actions taken to harm them, without any kind of formal process or charges. Just rumors that lead to vigilantes.
At some point, there is no difference between that, Daniel Penny, or Luigi Manigone. From every side, we all agree that summary executions are acceptable. The end result of this is a break down of civil society as the justifications for extrajudicial murder expand to include as many things as necessary… Even if you take something like the damage Kendrick Lamar did to Drake’s career and reputation, I believe his legal defense over defamation is that it was meant as a joke. How many people would consider using these methods if they saw Drake? A lot of time has passed since that song was released, where are the criminal charges to match the damage done to him?
