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A real alternative to YouTube would be so good right now.
Nebula
I mean something free
I’m a little bit confused on this: if you visit the policy page now it does (at least for me, in Europe) still list “Sex, Gender, or Sexual Orientation” as a protected group in that exact same list. Obviously slightly different as they’ve combined a couple of different groups in there where previously they were delineated: plus I wonder if this is potentially showing because I’m in a different region. Would be interested to see what someone in NA sees: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939
EDIT: Nevermind, saw further in the thread
Look at the latest executive order on “protecting children”. They are planning for eugenics.
Fuck rainbow capitalism
I’m more concerned about “anti-rainbow” capitalism. Like what’s happening right now where instead of being performatively progressive they become performatively reactionary. (Well, I suppose that’s just reactionary.)
Basically what I mean is I want rainbow capitalism to exist, but in a very specific way: I want rainbow capitalism to be the bare minimum a company has to implement if they want to exist. I want the social circumstances to force them to at least pretend to be on the right side of history.
Honestly, the real problem in rainbow capitalism is the capitalism part.
The point is, is that it doesn’t matter. Companies are not true allies, they just do whatever earn them the most money and PR
If it means to become literal Nazis, then they become literal Nazis. And sell the supplies to the gas chambers
More proof Rainbow Capitalism was a lie/ad campaign to take more money from queers.
I wish I could rub this in the face of every cishet who said Rainbow Capitalism was actual progress.
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I mean this is just them making official how they’ve been acting for 2 years minimum, as much as google and youtube want to act progressive and inclusive, people still get demonetized for talking about lgbtq or women’s issues, unless they are harassing them, in which case the video will stay up no matter how many of youtube’s rules it breaks. For example, trans NB game critic Stephanie Sterling had multiple harassment videos against them (they listed pronouns as they/them last I checked, please correct if changed) that are still up right now, several years after upload, despite those videos exclusively attacking them for being trans/non-binary, which breaks youtube’s TOS
Companies are not your friend.
Months ago I reported a Nazi. Like a real Nazi. With a hitler pfp. And they didn’t ban him. This is the channel of the Nazi: https://youtube.com/channel/UCZijsnbYQawRHi-Z3DwEcTA
Wish I could say I’m surprised, but I’ve had this exact thing happen to me several times. Sometimes they’ve even had slurs in their profile image or banner too.
Just don’t make a video criticizing the nazi using snippets of the nazi’s videos, because that’s when you risk getting taken down for hate speech.
Smaller channels have this happen to them on a regular basis when they criticize bigger channels like, say, Matt Walsh. In that case, it’s because YT likes the bigger channel better for giving more ad revenue, but they still know that it’s hate speech so they apply their own rule selectively… on people criticizing the hate speech. They only ban chuds after they become irrelevant, and that’s only to save face — for example, when they banned Stefan Molyneux he was hardly popular anymore, so there was no financial loss in banning him, and they could score brownie points about how progressive they are.
I would appreciate it if we could just get rid of this dumbass “hate speech” rule.
I would appreciate it if we could get rid of this dumbass. ^
There is one thing that is vital that is missing from peertube. Effective monetization.
By watching on peertube I am a drain on resources. A net negative. I’d happily pay to offset those costs and more, but I want it to be shared amongst multiple creators and hosters.
I don’t want to just support one, I want to support most of the network for the hosting and bandwidth, and a certain amount divided amongst the creators I watch.
If PeerTube introduces some sort of payment / monetization solution, it might get more creators as well. Without it I can’t see it growing fast enough to compete with YouTube in the near future.
Well… Sooner or later the costs of Full HD compressed video will be negligible for hosting and bandwidth, so that might be when YouTube gets a real challenge. So I guess we’ll see
I remember the pre-Youtube internet where we created content because it was fun or educational, not because we needed money for the task of doing so.
Paying for server costs and maintaining them, sure. MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators. The rest of the people on the site, they just make good content for the sake of making good content, not because they feel the need to be paid for their time doing it.
God I miss the pre-Youtube era. “Content creators” looking for a payday via advertising are a fucking cancer.
MetaFilter has a good system for that, they’re effectively a non-profit and have a donation structure and paid admins and moderators.
MetaFilter has at multiple points been on the verge of shutting down, no? IIRC, you pay $5 for an account.
I subscribe to a lot of full time “content creators” that are ad supported and supported via donations.
I curate my feed meticulously to avoid slop, and I get a lot of value, learning and entertainment from those I follow.
I believe they deserve to be paid for the tremendous amount of work they put in.
Some sort of ability to generate a livable wage from creating high quality content seems reasonable, no?
You can pay them. They can choose to require it. Nobody needs to pay a fucking gestapo in between
I mean, sure but we are past that. No large YouTuber will give up getting paid, and go to a system with a much smaller user base so even stuff like affiliate links and sponsorships are worth less. Basically double lose money just to join peertube. Especially since most large YouTubers have a team of people who they pay, so they cannot afford for their employees sake to take such a large loss just to support peertube.
More likely this leads to Vimeo, or like twitch TikTok or something else being able to support a normal video platform than it leads to people using peertube.
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It’s because some people don’t actually support workers, especially creative workers, regardless or their political identity.
It is not selfish to want to be payed for working on something like a video that in some cases takes hundreds of man hours of work to complete
Yes, it is, if your desire to get paid causes you to remain on corporate-controlled social media, to the detriment of society.
Not to mention, plenty of people can and do put hundreds of hours of work into projects that they don’t ask for payment for.
“Content creators” who get paid through advertisements are class traitors whose interests are aligned with the capitalist class. They will fuck over society to make a buck for themselves.
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No, my point specifically relates to creative work. You said in your comment:
under our current economic model people require money to survive and if they do not get money for doing their creative work they might not be able to continue making that work.
This is false, basically. They can do other types of work. Creative work can be done without making money for it. Plenty of people have a day job and make creative work in their free time. The same option is not available for most other types of work, such as government, doctors, lawyers, etc. If you try to do these types of jobs outside of the framework of a regulated business, you’ll get the book thrown at you.
The issue I’m getting at isn’t “are you responsible for the actions you take to make a living”. Rather, I’m getting at the issue of “does creative work require becoming an employee of a capitalist company, thereby siding with its shareholders in having a vested interest in increasing that company’s profits regardless of the societal damage caused?”
The answer to that question is a resounding “no”. Creatives need to grow a spine and get a day job.
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“you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.” Certainly is… a take. But anyways, I’m not even talking about being leftist or not or whatever. I just mean, people. Period. It’s not selfish to want to get paid for making something. People need money to live.
Are there content creators who fucking suck? Yes. But there’s also ones that don’t. They’re allowed to make money.
you’re not a leftist unless you have daddies money to support you wasting 100 hours on a 20m video.
I didn’t say that, though. Clearly it’s not worth engaging with you.
People expect to pay a carpenter or a plumber for their services, why shouldn’t entertainers and content creators be allowed to get paid for their work?
Nebula
As i signed up for this sub, I thought I’d be reading about technology. Actually, it seems that people here are more concerned about companies not sticking to the far left ideology, so naturally they call everyone nazis and fascists, without ever knowing what those words even mean.
Just because someone doesn’t want to play the gender tip toe dance, doesn’t mean they’re nazis. But I guess that’s not something that this sub is ready to face.
They also allowed a pedo back on their platform
Keep using uorigin for blocking as. Also use Firefox.
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BASED
I recommend you take strides to learn how propaganda works, most specifically the purpose of shifting opinion (i.e. the Overton Window): “I’m just asking questions” and “I’ll let anyone speak” are two of the most effective methods of propaganda. It does not need to be intentional on the part of the interviewer.
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no, when you obviously spouting misinformation its within peoples rights not to give you time of thier day. and thats why you would be banned in reddit surely as here eventually for the right reasons.
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Companies censor ideas all the time. McDonald’s employees don’t tell their customers how ugly they are… it’s against company policy. Youtube is a company that can implement whatever company policies they like and if you don’t like it you can go somewhere else.
Your problem is that you want to censor ideas you don’t like.
This is a natural result of media controlled by corporate interests. It’s also a misunderstanding of “free speech” – even when you are free to say what you will, it does not mean you are free from the consequences of that speech.
You want to control what other people think by dictating what they get to see and what they’re allowed to share with others.
Again, I suggest looking into how propaganda works. Letting everyone speak about anything (without vetting of topic, qualifications, or direction) has consequences. We are seeing those consequences now and will continue to see more as the propaganda machine runs wild on the back of “let everyone speak”.
Your view of this is overly simplistic and I am, in the most polite way, attempting to direct you to self improvement. It is a common issue at the moment across all discourse – probably vestigial of the information sharing capabilities now available.
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I tried giving you an opportunity, but I’m going to block you now.
I really don’t even know what this means.
I wish the best for you.
Ironic
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What international alternatives exist for YouTube? And I understand RedNote as an alternative for TikTok, but YouTube fills a little bit of a different niche.
No one wants to talk about PeerTube?
I don’t think it’s possible for PeerTube to scale to a size where it would be capable of competing with Youtube.
PeerTube is just software. It’s a decentralized network. It doesn’t have to scale to that size. You can have a million servers handling the storage and streaming in a more efficient method and democratize the bandwidth.
Who’s paying to run a million servers?
Hosts and users who want their stuff available to their audience without YouTube’s bullshit.
Same people that pay for lemmy. Us.
It doesn’t take much to host peertube TBH. And with each peertube instance, the videos get easier to host. It scales very well with the current iteration of software.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related:
- A platform is only as good as its users (creators and users who interact). Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
- Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.
Im pretty happy with what it does NOW. I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube. I like my friends and family (and sometimes us weirdos) looking at my videos. And I like the slow trickle of people hosting their videos on say makertube, peertube.wtf, and other such platforms. They seem like really fun individuals and im having a blast.
The two biggest issues are actually not software related
I disagree, the biggest issues are related to discoverability, and most certainly software-related.
Peertube has the issue that its not very popular, so creators have to really plug their stuff.
Not necessarily. They only need to agree to allow an instance to mirror their content, and possibly one day contribute something to it in the event that it becomes popular enough. For now, consent is really all that’s required. The only revenue they’re missing out on is AdSense.
Its not profitable for creators UNLESS they add a way to monetize. Some argue that with secondary sources such as patreon, its not an issue, But I just don’t see it.
Patreon is one of many different ways to generate revenue. Most popular Youtubers are diversifying in various ways. The most effective of which is creating their own products and using their channels to promote them. Affiliate links/codes is another way smaller creators can diversify.
I like the ability to post my videos and get comments without getting flagged for whatever on Youtube.
As always, with freedom comes abuse. Youtube has a lot of regulations that can be cumbersome but also can protect creators and users.
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There’s a couple Lemmy communies out there where we showcase different channels.
https://lemmy.world/c/peertube
Check out top for a decent selection. It’s a somewhat new community but we are growing fast. It’s federated and has some hidden gems from people. Has a very early YouTube feel.
Because the user experience is horrible for non-creators.
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That’s optional. You have to opt in to mirror a server.
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The server itself has the option to turn that off or on. And most dont turn that on. Its off by default.
Source: I host a peertube instance.
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User experience can be improved pretty easily.
The important parts are already there.
Easier said than done. Reason after all these years it still hasn’t been addressed.
I really don’t think it is.
As an engineer with almost 2 decades of experience (including streaming sites)… It is.
Well, we’d have to be more specific about what parts of the “user experience” we’re talking about here in order to make that assessment.
I’m mostly talking about discoverability, the default algorithms, the lack of federation, and a way to actually filter content by language.
Peertube is the obvious candidate, but I’m not sold on the content.
I use nebula.tv, many of the creators I like are there too. You pay somerhing, but their business model is not too bad imho.
Floatplane is somewhat similar, but LMG is involved, which I don’t love.
What’s wrong with LMG?
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Linus media group
The closest, at least outside of China, would be Dailymotion.
Allas, if you want to stay away from YouTube, you’ll also want to stay away from Dailymotion. This platform is owned by Vincent Bolloré who is also the owner of the “Groupe Canal” (which includes “CNews”, the french equivalent to Fox News) and a number of different far-right media. Moving to Dailymotion is not exacly what I would call a smart one.
feel like thats specific to pirated media. i remember i watch pirated shows on there all the time.
There really isn’t one. That’s why they feel that they can do whatever they feel like. They have no real competition for the type of service they offer.
Everyone should check out PeerTube sometime, the UX has improved a lot and there’s a decent amount of content too. I recommend installing the PeerTube Companion app. It shows a popup on YouTube if you’ve clicked on a video that is also available on PeerTube.
How is discoverability in PeerTube? That was the sticking point for me with PeerTube as with Mastodon last time I looked. It was not easy to discover what’s out there.
Still not that great, I rely on the companion to redirect me to channels through YouTube.
Yeah this is the kicker for me and for most others. It won’t ever replace youtube until it can implement similar discoverability features and improve the onboarding process. Youtube is run by the shitlords, yes, but it’s also a service that has no equal, literally has no peers. Until it does, it will remain uncontested and they’ll be able to get away with whatever policy changes please them (and their dictator-in-chief. And their shareholders)
Yeah best we have right now is subscribing to the lemmy/piefed communities like /c/peertube and seeing what you like. For better or for worse, there is no algorithm. Moreso in peertube than others.
thanks
what’s the best queer friendly instance? :^
I don’t know, but here’s a list of instances https://joinpeertube.org/instances