I completely disagree.

Intermingling PHP and HTML is one of PHP strengths. The processing/executing difference you’re describing is almost always negligible due to how PHP is optimized (specifically for this kind of thing - outputting HTML to the browser sometimes).

Seriously, compare this to the 4chan image board view we really aren’t looking at the same source code. In comparison, the WordPress function is blocked, purposeful, together. It’s a single CSS block output all at once. On the otherhand, in the linked 4chan discussion board PHP file, it echos as strings, broken up by multiple conditionals, and is difficult (even from an IDE perspective on highlighting) to tell where a block starts and where it ends (again due to it being echo’d in strings, and broken by conditionals). Trying to modify this blocked CSS is going to be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy easier than trying to modify a bunch of printed HTML strings broken up by multiple nested conditionals. Plus it’s just straight-up easier to read and straight-forward to understand what the function does right away.

To harp on this even more, one of the benefits of blocking HTML in this way is IDE highlighting. In your example, if you were to pop that into a modern IDE like VSCode, it’ll highlight tags and allow collapsing like a normal HTML doc. It’ll probably even highlight the CSS as expected. On the other-hand, by echoing / printing HTML strings, IDEs aren’t going to highlight these things as HTML since they’re PHP strings, and in the case of the imageboard, it’s going to struggle finding matching open/end tags due to PHP strings and broken conditionals. I’d much prefer the WordPress example over echo / printing multiple lines of HTML strings (this is really a pet-peeve of mine).

I can’t think of a single system that doesn’t “stop PHP executing” at some point to output HTML in some way. Maybe an app that dynamically pulls it’s views in through JS I guess.

For comparison to future readers, this is just a small portion of the imageboard which goes on like this for another 600 lines:

	if( $resno ) {
		$closed = $log[$resno]['closed'] || $log[$resno]['archived'];
		
		if( !$stripm ) {
			$msg .= '<div class="navLinks mobile">
	<span class="mobileib button"><a href="/' . BOARD_DIR . '/" accesskey="a">' . S_RETURN . '</a></span> <span class="mobileib button"><a href="/' . BOARD_DIR . '/catalog">' . S_CATALOG . '</a></span> <span class="mobileib button"><a href="#bottom">' . S_BOTTOM . '</a></span> <span class="mobileib button"><a href="#top_r" id="refresh_top">' . S_REFRESH . '</a></span>
</div>';
		}

			if( !$stripm ) $msg .= '<div id="mpostform"><a href="#" class="mobilePostFormToggle mobile hidden button">' . S_FORM_REPLY . '</a></div>';
	} else {
		if( !$stripm ) $msg .= '
<div class="navLinks mobile">
	<span class="mobileib button"><a href="#bottom">' . S_BOTTOM . '</a></span> <span class="mobileib button"><a href="/' . BOARD_DIR . '/catalog">' . S_CATALOG . '</a></span> <span class="mobileib button"><a href="#top_r" id="refresh_top">' . S_REFRESH . '</a></span>
</div>
<div id="mpostform"><a href="#" class="mobilePostFormToggle mobile hidden button">' . S_FORM_THREAD . '</a></div>';
	}

Formatting and structure is important for a readable framework / project and longevity. 4chan had none of this - Moot took the bag and ran and whoever took it over just left left the PHP standards/organization in 2003.

Really though, it doesn’t.

Github -> WordPress

Github -> 4chan

I absolutely hate the way 4chan formats their HTML + PHP intermingling in views. That’s not to say WordPress doesn’t do this as well, but oh man in a much better, cleaner, and more sparingly way. The 4chan imageboard view Github -> 4chan is absolute chaos. Why this wasn’t rewritten is beyond me. That’s just the first thing I see as I peruse the source, I can’t imagine it gets much better from here.

Here’s a fun exercise: What’s the deepest nest in this loop? Github -> 4chan Bonus points: What’s the deepest nested statement in the whole source?

Yes and no. 1.4k? Out of hundreds of millions of online users. Literal raindrop in an ocean.

It means there’s still too many people supporting the same corporations willing to manipulate them through stealth advertising, data harvesting/selling, and misinformation.

It means that there’s still not enough people who care about privacy.

It means that there’s still a lot of educational work to do in society.

I did, and you’re full of shit.

It’s not just the salute that shows this being the case (which is extremely obvious and intentional, again just by watching the video). It’s the history of anti-union practices, the history of lying and being caught lying, the history of supporting far-right movements. Over time this seems to form what’s called a “pattern”.

You’re literally sleep-walking through life or intentionally trying to mislead the conversation.

On another note though, 9 hours, 1k upvotes, 300 comments. It’s a shame more people don’t migrate away from Reddit, which is just as bad as all these other social media platforms currently courting the U.S. administration.

How do we encourage more people to join a Lemmy?

Let’s see the videos side by side and vote on which one is the closest to a nazi salute / gesture.

Or go shill your propaganda somewhere else, maybe with the rest of the nazi sympathizers.

Nothing will be done because nobody can hold this cabal of the world’s wealthiest men accountable.

It’s not just the U.S. that’s going to suffer here either. This cabal is in charge of one of the worlds largest militaries.

Glad you’re above it all though, best of luck.

I don’t know, this reads like a CIA document. I’m not signing a pledge to activism (that’s literally in the doc btw).

FR though there’s some good stuff in here lol

I think this kind of thing might work in a civil society, and let’s hope we stay in a civil society, but once the boots start hitting the ground, once onlookers start saluting back, peaceful protests won’t work.

Stay vigilant o7

I don’t know, wait for leadership to arrive.

Keep speaking out, speaking up, and pointing out that it’s really us workers against the billionaire corporation class.

Bring people together, IRL, and have actual conversations. Apes really are strong together, it’s not a meme, it’s real life.

This really is how fascists rise to power.

The liberal minded can’t find the leadership to organize change. Maybe too many people are too comfortable, but it seems to me a lack of a strong message and organization. A lack of left-leaning, anti-corporation, for the people kind of leadership.

Why are they running a memecoin scam, and nobody is regulating that for a sitting U.S. president?

If you still have your Amazon Prime subscription, Facebook Account, Twitter Account. The literal, very least you could do, is not support the companies of these literal Billionaires, with a capital B.

We need to bring back community, actual in person communities. Supporting local businesses and bring people together for discussions and socializing. As a society, we are too disconnected. It’s too easy to just throw a comment online (what I’m doing now) and move on. Actual change comes from society, and as a society we need to make change together.

Real talk.

The richest men on the planet Earth are surrounding and and giving gifts/favors to a man who holds the highest position in a World Superpower with one of the largest militaries on the planet.

What can we realistically do to fight a possible incoming Nazi regime?

We’re gonna be ethnically cleansed by old, poorly dressed, unatheltic losers 😭

Specifically because they have accumulated so much wealth that they can pay people to do terrible things in seemingly unterrible ways.