Inception bitch!

    • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      20 days ago

      I do not see how Lemmy helps with anything other than allowing people another excuse for escapism and scrolling on the internet over actually developing life skills, seeing new sights, socializing with humans, getting better at understanding people, and actually making an effort to communicate with others, doing some small part to make the world better.

      • ArtificialHoldings@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        Link aggregate sites do perform an actual function outside of the use case of doom scrolling. It’s a way that I engage with my niche hobby groups, aggregate news, and troubleshoot niche tech issues. There’s a reason why you Google a question then add “reddit” at the end.

      • untakenusername@sh.itjust.works
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        20 days ago

        with reddit the CEO ad shareholders control what gets promoted or silenced; with Lemmy they don’t have that power. that’s how it helps

      • 3DMVR@lemm.eeEnglish
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        19 days ago

        This shits so funny bruh, stop using social media as your excuse for not developing skills, yeah its addictive but you make an active choice to not delete these apps, if I want to get shit done I delete tiktok, there you go, no longer distracted by easy scroll dopamine. Went i want a break from learning skills, seeing new sights, I redload it, wtf do you think social media is, there is less small talk and more proper socializing on lemmy/reddit type platforms than any other

      • bunnyBoy@pawb.socialEnglish
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        20 days ago

        I think the ‘problem’ the meme is referencing is supporting centralized social media run by corporations. I think the ‘problem’ you are talking about is more along the lines of tech addiction. Something can fix one problem without fixing every problem.

        • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          20 days ago

          Sure, and my point is maybe we all need to put away the internet entirely a little more often, it’s literally killing us and the world.

            • MeThisGuy@feddit.nl
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              20 days ago

              the internet can be a great place if you know where to look. the problem you are referring to is cellphones and general 24/7 connectivity. you can still get called with no data service, anywhere anytime. so ppl… put away the phones, tablets, computers, gaming devices. I challenge anyone to go off grid for a week. sadly I know I can’t.

            • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              20 days ago

              I love me a really well-made grilled-cheese sandwich, like with all the fixings and fancy bread. Truly one of life’s pleasures.

              But if gets moldy, even if it’s no fault of my own, I will probably throw that shit away and pick another option. (This also kills the spread of the mold.)

  • RedFrank24@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    The only thing Twitter has over something like Bluesky is the fact that Bluesky is so milquetoast and nice that you don’t really get any of the drama you get on Twitter. Like, I never see comic fans going “Black Bolt would DESTROY Saitama in a fight!” and anime fans going “Nu uh! ONE PUNCH!” on Bluesky.

    Same with Lemmy tbh. Lemmy is 80% politics, 5% memes about politics, 5% memes about Lemmy being better than Reddit, and 10% Linux.

    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      It used to be so much more Linux, but replacing that with politically charged statements parading as memes isn’t a much better alternative. My two least favorite parts of Lemmy are how every conversation is somehow just one degree of separation from Linux or Nazis. Meme about dogs? Now the conversation is about genocide.

      • frostysauce@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        Honestly I’ve become so disillusioned with Lemmy over the last few months. Almost all of the discussion I see is liberals saying all conservatives should be executed, leftists saying all liberals should be executed, and tankies saying that anyone not willing to self-immolate in protest of the genocide in Palestine should be executed (but don’t you DARE mention any genocide not perpetuated by the West.)

        /h

    • swab148@startrek.websiteEnglish
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      20 days ago

      It’d be pretty difficult, any instances that start that shit would be defederated with a quickness, but I don’t want to be too optimistic lol

      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        20 days ago

        if .world says being a minor is bannable suddenly there’s no minors anywhere on Lemmy. A minor example that is understandable, sure, but it’s just to show that a single large instance can cause a lot of change if they decide to.

      • HereIAm@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        The protocol itself could surely start its journey if enshittification? In which case different, possibly incompatible, branches would spawn fragmenting the Lemmy space. Still miles better than the whole thing burning to the ground. But with no shareholders looming around (yet) we can hope it won’t come to that.

          • HereIAm@lemmy.world
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            20 days ago

            I guess the closest I know of is Maps.me and Organic Maps? Maps.me was open source, but got purchased and enshittified, so Organic Maps was forked from it. And now there is some drama with the Organic Maps shareholders/co-founders, so unless that is (or has it already been?) sorted out we’re likely to see another fork of it.

            Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the main dev(s) members of lemmy.ml? So I can certainly see how differing political views could skew the development of the main branch of Lemmy.

            • Communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
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              20 days ago

              That’s a bad example because it got forked and it wasn’t an actual problem?

              Please correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t the main dev(s) members of lemmy.ml[3]? So I can certainly see how differing political views could skew the development of the main branch of Lemmy.

              People say this all the time but never can give even one example of a potential problem. Preemptive forking sounds insane to me. The notion that lemmy might enshittify because you don’t like their politics is also ridiculous when their politics are anti-capitalist… aka the politics that are least likely to enshittify.

            • farngis_mcgiles@sh.itjust.works
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              20 days ago

              The organic maps founders seem to have convinced the volunteers that a private company would be best to manage an open source project. The community got duped hard.

              • HereIAm@lemmy.world
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                20 days ago

                I agree. And luckily for Lemmy and all other FOSS projects the worst that can happen is a fork of the project is created with a potentially fractured community.

      • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        20 days ago

        Isn’t that the exact same argument for Twitter? If Twitter gets shitty, people will just leave? Because I feel like we’re not really seeing that.

        • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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          19 days ago

          No because Twitter is a walled ecosystem, you can’t move to Bluesky and interact with people on twitter for example.

          With federated stuff you can move and still interact with people on other instances.

        • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
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          20 days ago

          There is only one Twitter whereas anyone can start “a Lemmy” (instance). I am using a different instance than you, for example. So if mine enshittifies I can go somewhere else and still have access to the broader network.

        • Communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
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          20 days ago

          No, not at all, twitter is not decentralized, with a lemmy instance, if you leave, you lose nothing at all. With twitter, you can’t take the content or your account

          • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            20 days ago

            Not quite accurate. If you leave an instance, you do lose any posts or comments you had. Not a big loss, but there is that sense of investment in an account and reputation.

            • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
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              20 days ago

              It’s entirely possible in the future, since ActivityPub accounts can be “forwarded”. It’s a little clunky but look at Mastodon.

    • Panda (he/him)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      20 days ago

      Not really. It’s not a centralized platform by design - unless you’re talking about the flagship instances, which are a common problem with federated projects

    • James R Kirk@startrek.websiteEnglish
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      20 days ago

      The fact that this is being upvoted so much I think demonstrates a big misunderstanding of how the fediverse works.

      Nobody owns Lemmy and if a instance does something shitty it costs hardly anything to change instances. Nobody owns the lemmy software, and other softwares like mbin/piefed exist too with the same content.

  • AbraKadabra1993@reddthat.com
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    19 days ago

    Its true. I have friends still using it and they can’t seem to break free. I used Reddit since its inception, but left it immediately during the api-pocolypse and never looked back. I did the same with Proton when the CEO praised the GOP. I have no loyalties to tech companies.

    • la_scriba@sopuli.xyz
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      19 days ago

      I’ve been trying to break free from Reddit ever since the api-pocalypse and subsequent ai-pocalypse. I mostly found my home on Tumblr for a while but it’s taken a long time to find replacements for some things.

    • Alaknár@lemm.ee
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      19 days ago

      I will die on this hill - the Proton CEO was right when he praised GOP in the context of the time, and situation.

      The situation was: GOP accidentally* going against Big Tech and pro-citizens, while Democrats were defending Big Tech (just to be in opposition-by-default to GOP). Specifically, the CEO’s tweet was about how Trump nominating a fairly loudly outspoken anti-Big Tech person to a very high position in the DOJ was a good thing.

      The time was: just before Trump 2 took office and showed what a shit-show his admin, and GOP have become.

      The guy was ONLY talking about Big Tech and anti-trust policies nothing else. He never said “GOP is good for the US” or “GOP is good for the world”, he said “GOP are doing a bunch of anti-trust and anti-Big Tech moves right now and it’s good”.

      People dropping Proton for this reason are the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

      * it was because Trump was throwing a hissy fit at Meta and Twitter for allowing people to express anti-Trump opinions.

      • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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        19 days ago

        The problem with this, is if he was paying attention AT ALL, it’d be clear that the republican stance “against big tech” was always a lie. The fact he just bought their BS is enough for me to not trust the company.

        • Alaknár@lemm.ee
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          19 days ago

          The problem with this, is if he was paying attention AT ALL, it’d be clear that the republican stance “against big tech” was always a lie.

          Nobody ever suggested otherwise. I specifically mentioned that myself.

          The fact he just bought their BS is enough for me to not trust the company.

          He didn’t “buy” anything. He didn’t become a Republican, WTF are you people talking about? He literally said, that at the time GOP was more anti-Big Tech and pro-consumer than the Democrats and that a specific appointment was a good choice.

          Since when does stating facts mean you’re “buying someone’s BS”?

            • Alaknár@lemm.ee
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              18 days ago

              It’s a common way to say someone was dupes by something, “they bought it” meaning they fell for it.

              Mate, are you OK? I know what the phrase means and I’m struggling to see which part of my reply gave you the impression otherwise…

              there was antitrust brought under the Biden admin. [link]

              What is your argument here, exactly? That Trump appointing an anti-Big Tech person to lead the anti-trust section of the DOJ was… a bad thing… because Biden did stuff for anti-trust…? Hmm?

              The point being GOP was only anti big-tech in rhetoric (…) He is either lying, or not paying attention.

              Sigh…

              Don’t take it the wrong way, it’s not an attack, just a statement of fact: people like you are the reason democracy is failing.

              In most countries democracy has a 4-year turnover. One party comes in, says “we’ll do X”, gets to do their thing for four years, and then… It turns out that “X” takes 6 years to implement so people like you go “they lied to us, they didn’t do X!”. Now, the other party sees that and says “oh, trust us, we’ll do Y” and “Y” is a bullshit non-issue or a non-solution to an actual issue, but it only takes 3 years to implement, which gives them a nice boost and a potential for re-election.

              This creates a vicious cycle of parties becoming more and more populist, saying they’ll “solve poverty by increasing minimum wage” (where the actual solution is massive changes in regulation and policy that would take a decade to implement), or “kick out immigrants to give back jobs to true XYZ” (where “true XYZ” don’t want to do the jobs that immigrants take, and the solution, again, would be proper regulatory (and executive!) action, but that takes a decade or two to implement). Etc., etc.

              Now, back to the point - yes, you’re right. A lot of stuff happened during Biden’s tenure. But A LOT of that stuff was started by Trump’s administration, or the actions of the Trump administration opened the doors for a lot of what Biden did.

              Here’s a list of some of it:

              DOJ Antitrust Lawsuit Against Google (2020)- Focused on Google’s deals with Apple and others to maintain default search engine status, thus harming competitors.

              FTC Antitrust Lawsuit Against Facebook (December 2020)- To potentially break up Facebook by forcing it to divest those companies.

              DOJ Antitrust Review of Big Tech (2019)- Laid groundwork for later actions, like the 2020 Google lawsuit.

              FTC Tech Task Force (2019)- Re-examined acquisitions like Facebook’s of Instagram and WhatsApp.

              Trump’s Executive Order on Section 230 (May 2020) to weaken legal protections that shield social media platforms from liability over user content and moderation decisions. - didn’t get much done as actual change would require Congressional action. But it intensified scrutiny of Big Tech.

              Other indirect actions: Trump supported conservative-led Congressional hearings and investigations into Big Tech’s political power and influence or pushed the idea that companies like Amazon were harming small businesses and exploiting USPS