Who is going to tell them?
(I have seen a few of these very examples.)
Especially the first one
Where’s the sports ball coach saying “walk it off” to a person with no legs?
People act this way because they know how cold and callous the world is. No one cares if you have a mental disorder or psychological difficulties and if you are unable to hold down a job your future will take place living in the street. It is a harsh and brutal reality. Good luck.
I care, and I know a lot of other people do as well.
Caring is something you do not something you feel. What exactly do you do to help them?
Well considering that a lot of people suffering are experiencing economic problems in my country or problems with their environment; like not being able to receive health care and suffering from treatable physical illness, not being able to get out of sticky situations with abusive people or dynamics, having employment issues, or being homeless/in debt and so forth - I can’t exactly give them a place to live or give them money because I really have none to give.
In those cases, what can I personally do for them? Of course I can listen, I can give solicited advice, and I can point them to the resources they have access to.
I advocate for those resources to be more accessible for all. Health-allowing, I want to volunteer my time and become more politically active.
Oh I’m sorry i misread your response. You’re saying you don’t do anything to help them but you want to seem like you do. That you’re a fake ass poser, pretending to care in some virtue signaling fraud so others will think favorably of you even though you haven’t actually done anything to deserve it. Now I understand. Like I said at the start of this waste of time of a conversation, the vast majority of people don’t care.
You’re saying you don’t do anything to help them but you want to seem like you do.
I am not doing well. It’s not an excuse and it doesn’t make me lesser. I am working to be healthy. You are free to perceive reality however you wish, I choose to believe the world is a friendly place. If I was healthy, I would be able to do more for myself as well as others.
I have experienced some pretty terrible things. I know very well that life can be unkind, but I still persevere and I’m working towards healing. Thanks for your feedback, not everybody is the saint you expect them to be, but it doesn’t make them lesser or bad.
So you are saying that you go to homeless camps and explain to them what resources are available to them and personally assist them with applying for those resources?
Considering that I have volunteered my time to help and feed the homeless when I was healthy, and have volunteered a significant amount of time in my life, I’d be willing to if I had an organization alongside me.
Why do you feel the need to purity test me?
None of this has anything to do with our conversation and I have no tests for you. I hope you the best and good luck.
Hope probably requires action too, otherwise nothing backs it up and grounds it into reality.
Thanks for chatting, sorry it wasn’t worthwhile for you - it was worth it for me.
I’ll keep working on myself, and when I am the shining beacon that even you could stand beside, maybe we could have another chat about caring and action.
As the closest friend of someone depressed, I have to say such illness isn’t the same as physical illness. Sure all those advices won’t change anything, but that’s just because the person doesn’t have the will to make them happen. People around the depressed person can definitely help, just by spending time with the person, and encouraging the person to accompany them to activities. Biggest danger is insisting too much as you might turn into a burden. Sometimes I think it’s just better not to talk
Yeah, about that… my Depression-raised dad didn’t even think physical problems were an excuse for slacking or being negative. I think it was the general mood of the 30s when he was a teenager. There was very little public help for people in trouble - basically you could turn to charity or starve. So people were highly motivated to keep going in spite of whatever happened. Bouncing back from problems ASAFP was a survival trait. I always said if my dad saw me get my leg cut off by a chainsaw or something, he would probably run over and say cheerfully, “Oh well, you’ve still got your other leg, just hop!”
If you have a physical illness you go to physical therapy, so if you have a mental illness you should go to mental therapy.
Agoraphobia is a really fun one. “Just go outside! You’ll feel better if you hang out with people!” I’d love to! I’d love for my brain to not put up a great big roadblock that says “you are not going to be able to go into Walmart” or “you cannot complete that piece of paperwork.” That’s the problem I have. If it was as simple as just doing the thing, I’d be doing the thing.
It’s not comparable. Whenever I see these posts, it always feels as if the author is suggesting that mental illness is just like a flu, you just get it accidentally and can’t help it and you just need to rest to get over it.
But that is completely wrong. Unless you have developed schizophrenia or bipolar etc, that’s a whole different kettle of fish which will likely require medication for the rest of your life. You need to help yourself out of depression and anxiety etc. You can’t wait around for it to disappear, you need to see a therapist, take your ass outside and force yourself into uncomfortable situations.
You’ll have days you can’t do anything and that’s completely okay. But I feel like the ‘nurturing’ of mental health can do some harm.
See Soteria Houses. Schizophrenia or psychosis is not always a permanent state that requires medication for the rest of the patient’s life. Soteria Houses achieve remission in individuals with little to no psychiatric medication. They use antipsychotics for stabilization, in controlled doses, and usually (to the best of my knowledge) only for a few months.
I feel you might be missing the joke, from my interpretation of it you are in agreement.
My read is that it is implying that mental illness are real diseases, but they’re treated like you should just get over them, which would be ridiculous if you were bleeding out, but since they aren’t usually visible people will just tell you that you should just be better.
I agree with the message but its not entirely true becsuse once you treat the gaping wound, going on walks and just basic physical activity actually helps. It sounds stupid but touching grass is one of the best things you can do when youre in a bad place. Also this one adresses like one of the slides, the rest is bullshit people constantly tell eachother. Actually looking at the person on a deeper level and not just the surface helps a lot. What doesnt help is most people depressed nowadays arent depressed from some personal thing but from the cold hard truth that the world is a horrible place thats falling apart.
Yeah definitely feel like at least in America we treat physical illness that way a lot of the time too
ok, but in america this IS how physical diseases are treated
Me: Doc, I’m in constant pain, my lower back is killing me, my hips are killing me, and random parts of my body go numb or twitch and randomly hurt for no rhyme or reason.
Doc: You need to lose weight and see a therapist, this is most likely depression and anxiety.
Therapist: Yes, you have depression and anxiety, but the 7 years of therapy you’ve had shows it’s not just anxiety or depression causing this, advocate for yourself.
Friend: Have you tried yoga?
Good advice is to look at what America does, and do the opposite.
Source: American citizen
In the four european countries I’ve lived in as a physically disabled person unable to work, this is exactly how I’ve been treated as well.
Yeah, that would be weird. Except physical illnesses and mental illnesses are not exactly the same.
The difference is that when you’re physically sick, there usually isn’t much you can do to help yourself, but there’s a lot you can do about many mental illnesses. I’m not saying it’s easy or that mentally ill people don’t need support and care, but these are not comparable.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. I don’t agree with the comic.
1, 4, and 6 is how my mom is about flu, cold, medicine.
When you’re sick you need to rest and let your body do its thing. You can eat food containing the resources your body needs to potentially speed up recovery. But ultimately you need rest.
Not according to mom.
You have to work your flu out. If you’re lying in bed feeling like shit you’re just being lazy. You’ll stay sick longer if you don’t work, so out of bed you go. Come on, it’s like you’re not even trying to get better!
And of course the medicine your doctor gives you is just poison, because doctors don’t know anything and just want to keep their career. Here, have these homeopathic pills instead.
Because medical science really has very little understanding of how mental illness happens, most of thier treatment boils down to “deal with it”. Medications help treat some symptoms, but often with lots of side effects.
So really the way we treat mental illness is often simply all we have. And that is the real problem.
We are still in the dark ages of medicine. People like to refer to modern medicine, but we are far from it. If we mobilized even half the amount of population that currently works on war related efforts, we would see astounding progress.
But it is modern! We already have germ theory, we know about inoculation and have a hazy idea that our endocrine system is very important. And yes, here is where all your words ring true.
I used to be way more sceptical towards any brain-chemistry-tampering compound, as I prejudged doctors to behave as they are next to an assembly line, prescribing chemicals based on archaic formulas. I’d hate to be stuck in a half-zen state married to some foreign chemistry with myriads of side effects. That is what I was seeing.
Then a friend had a pretty graceful mental breakdown. He couldn’t sleep and he institutionalized himself farely quickly. Rivotril or something along those lines let him sleep. And then he was put on antidepressants (seratonin reuptake inhibitors , if I’m not mistaken, which was a huge bogeyman for me), was gliding on them for about a month or so, then weened off. I was seriously surprised that such an episode can be handled so well and so quickly without any residual medicating.
I think they didn’t fix the underlying issues, but were able to unlock a cramp. I believe my friend has a fresh chance to figure out what brought him to that type of collapse and adjust his life accordingly.
All this said, even with the shittiest medications, it can definitely be worth being locked into some medicine than being a pool of dysfunction lying on the floor or causing major harm to your loved ones. I mean a good ayahuasca session gets a person pretty far, but not everything can be psychosomatic.
You are right to judge, but better off appreciating how far we come. Also thank you for expressing your opinion on it. I almost came in with an ‘acktchually’ after reading the comic, even though I agree and it resonates, it’s such a delicate topic. I guess you got dosed with my contrarianism instead of OP!
It has improved since the dark ages, but it’s still the same approach. Trial and error. And we still treat many illnesses by poisioning the body and hoping we kill the disease before the patient (chemotherapy, and actually antibiotics), just like leeches. And most treatments aren’t even specifically delivered to the site of the issue. We swallow them and let themspread everywhere. So we have to take way more to get the concentration we need where we need it. You need look no further than at the abysmal suscess rate of stage 3 trials to see that they have no idea what a medication will do to most of the body. We can split the atom, walk on the moon, and annilate every human on the planet. But we can’t even reliably cure a headache, or even stop pain. We can dull your mind so you don’t care about the pain with addictive substances that have lots of side effects, or we can knock you out (and only most of the time wake you up). We need more understanding. We need better diagnostic tooling. We don’t even have a non-invasive way to reliably tell if an illness is viral or bacterial for a reasonable enough price to use it often.
I’ll be honest, going outside does help. The problem is when you don’t have a compelling enough reason to (in my personal experience. This might not be everybody’s experience)
You can go buy beer or something.
Mental illness and alcohol is not something I want to mix
Yeah at least i know getting drunk makes me more depressed not less
If it made you less depressed, you can easily become an alcoholic
I’m an alcoholic, definitely makes me more depressed.
Then why do you drink? Sorry that this question is so blunt, lol
