This is ridiclous

  • kamen@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Unfortunately “punish them by not buying it” won’t work for someone as big as them.

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    8 months ago

    Hahaha I thought this was the onion and the button was the big fugly thing that covers the whole bottom

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    8 months ago

    Wait, WHAT?

    They put the powerbutton on the underside?

    For fuck sake Apple…

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      8 months ago

      “Our new Mac Mini is so powerful, so extraordinary, you’ll never want to turn it off.” – Tim Apple, probably.

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      8 months ago

      It’s very bad idea to put power button under the bottom, Who think the designer should need to be fired here

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        8 months ago

        Wouldn’t surprise me if it was the same guy who put the charge port on the magic mouse on the bottom.

        That at least has a logical excuse if dumb as hell, this has zero reason to be like this

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          8 months ago

          Apple didn’t want to muddy their nice design by including functions.

          Frankly you’re lucky it has any ports

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            8 months ago

            Honestly though, they should have added Qi charging to the magic mouse, as well as magnets to you could easily place it on the back of the iMac and have it charging when you leave the computer…

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      8 months ago

      Uh how often are you having to power on your Mac mini? I think mines been off like twice last year.

      Having the power switch away from where I often blindly poke around to plug cables in, sounds like a good choice.

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        8 months ago

        Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. The only time I use the power button is when there is an issue which has been like 4 times in 3 years maybe? I think people complaining about the power button location have never worked with macOS and are used to shittier standby in other operating systems.

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          8 months ago

          On the one hand, I agree. Apple has positioned their power buttons with the assumption that the devices wouldn’t be turned off very often for quite a while now. It was on the backside of the previous mac mini design and also on the backside of the 2013 trashcan mac pro, for example.

          That still doesn’t make it less annoying though. We use a lot of macs for work, including aforementioned mac minis and mac pros and we do turn them off regularly because there’s no need for them to use power 24/7. Having to turn them around to find the power button is just stupid. That’s form over function in its finest. But if you’re the type of person who never turns off their computer, obviously it doesn’t really matter.

          That’s not to say, that the new mac minis aren’t remarkable machines. The redesign was necessary and is very good in general. It’s a tiny powerhouse. They could’ve just chosen less of afterthought of a power button location.

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          8 months ago

          I’ve never owned any Crapple stuff and never will, but even I can see from the thumbnail that the circular vent is lifting the whole unit off the desk, so slipping your finger under to switch it off is going to be a bit odd the first time, then you’ll instinctively know where the button is.

          We’ve been doing it with monitors for decades

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          8 months ago

          The standby drain is negligible and it allows for the device to stay updated and synced.

          • Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works
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            8 months ago

            A lot of negligible things added together can make a lot.

            My computers are perfectly up to date by just running the software update manager while using them.

            But of course, being veggie, not having kids, biking or walking has a bigger impact than just turning off your computer.

            As I have two lovely kids and my work involves a lot of car travel, I can’t blame you for not turning off your computer though 😇

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        8 months ago

        Damn, that is some amazing copium…

        They had a well established place for the powerbutton, why change it?

        As an IT guy, if I worked with Macs this would be terrible to work with

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          As an IT guy, if I worked with Macs this would be terrible to work with

          You know, now that you say it, I’d bet that’s exactly why they did it. They probably want to fuck over companies that would otherwise have racks of Mac Minis (for clusters, colocated servers, etc.) and force them into Mac Studios or Mac Pros instead.

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            Nah, if you are racking computers, and they don’t have built in lights out management, you open them up and connect remote triggers to the power button leads, allowing you to remotely start them if they get shut off. I’m sure lots of companies do have Mac farms for Mac and iOS development, but I doubt Apple give a crap one way or another about them.

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          Well first off if you look at the picture, this is a much smaller device. If the power switch was in the same place as the larger case it would be on the side edge.

          Secondly because it’s now moved into a space where it’s not going to be accidentally hit, and requires an intentional effort to press.

          That’s great, how many IT guys have to manually go around turning off hundreds of computers at the switch instead of running some automated method across the whole network? Such a rare and unlikely situation that the average home consumer and user of a device such as this really doesn’t ever have to factor in.

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            8 months ago

            it’s not going to be accidentally hit

            How often do you accidentally press a power button on a desktop computer? I don’t even do that on my laptop, where the power button is close to the keyboard.

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              My phone case has a magnet in it (so it mildly sticks to metal surfaces).
              I’ve put it on a laptop and accidentally triggered the “lid close” sensor

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              Is your power button at the back of your pc next to the usb and hdmi ports? The place you dont look when trying to plug in a memory stick by feel.

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                8 months ago

                Of course not, who would put a power button on the back or bottom of the computer? Front, side, or top are the places it goes for almost every computer out there.

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            8 months ago

            As another IT guy at a university, having to manually turn on 30 computers in a classroom for updates or whatever is already a pain in the ass. Wake on LAN is not a reliable solution. Havin to manually flip over every box, then putting them down, and then fixing the cables that got yanked… I’d throw those fuckers in the trash.

            The Dell Optiplex 3080 Micro’s form factor is perfectly tiny without compromising user comfort.

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              8 months ago

              I have never bought an iPhone or a Mac and I agreed at first that this seems an extra step. But you surely wouldn’t have to flip it over? The device will be raised enough it appears that a finger could slide in the gap and hit that button. But maybe I don’t know shit or have slender fingers or something but feels like it could be operated without flipping.

              What am I missing?

              Still a daft design but yeah…

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                I have been using a MacBook trough work for 7 years now and I think I actually clicked shutdown once this year too keep the battery at ~80% during my 1 month holiday. Otherwise I maybe reboot it once every month or two to fix some weird homebrew upgrade issues. And that’s it. The thing is just “on” in deep sleep, forever.

                If the Mac mini’s behave similarly to the MacBooks, the standby energy usage is so low it’s probably easier to just keep it in on/standby/sleep all the time and just wake it by keyboard or mouse. And because Apple develop their own hardware, standby and sleep actually work reliably. So they probably intend for you to only use that power button for a hard reset. Even shutting it down and moving it, plugging the power back in wil probably start it up again. Just like opening the lid on my shutdown MacBook also boots it before I even touch the power button. Even a keypress or mouseclick will probably turn the damn thing on.

                Yes it’s an odd design choice, but in regular day to day use it probably won’t matter. Especially if you realise that its not a windows machine that needs to shutdown or reboot often.

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                Mainly because our students are idiots and will complain if the computer doesn’t turn off. Or worse, take independent action and hold the power button, or actually yank the power cable. Maybe I should just lean into it and convince them that the monitor is the computer.

                Jokes aside, how could I implement such a policy? I’ve only found one that hides the power buttons from the start menu, but Windows still responds to ACPI.

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                  Jokes aside, how could I implement such a policy?

                  The policy you’re looking for is in Computer Configuration->Policies->Windows Settings->Security Settings->Local Policies->User Rights Assignments->Shut down the system

                  This policy takes account or group names from your local or domain AD as its variable (like Domain Admins). After it’s successfully applied, only those users or groups will be able to shutdown the machine gracefully.

                  Create a new GPO or edit an existing one and apply it to the ADUC organizational unit containing the computer objects you need to target.

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                  Why would they be idiots for wanting to turn these computers off?

                  If the computers aren’t running something important while not in use, I think they should turn them off as we’re already wasting far too much energy.

                  I might be missing something, but it sounds like leaving your car running or leaving lights on in your home the whole year.

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              WoL is amazing when it works

              I had to update a remote laptop where windows was EoL for patching cutoff on a weekend and I threw my arms up in the air when it reported in a few minutes later

            • Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world
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              8 months ago

              It looks like it’s raised up off the desk by the circular portion in the center. Still annoying to press but a finger probably fits under there.

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    8 months ago

    Why can’t they put the power button on the front where it belongs. It’s already stupid that they put it on the back, putting it on the bottom is downright idiotic. If they don’t want to mess up the oh so important Apple aesthetic just make it an invisible touch button or something. Apple hates usability.

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      Desktop macs (not tower macs) has had the powerbutton on the back for decades, it’s fine, bottom is shit though…

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        Back is already bullshit. We have a few trashcan mac pros at work and usually they’re just turned so all the cables stick out towards the user because then you can easily reach the power button. Which makes it look worse than just having a power button in an accessible place aka the front or the top in the first place.

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          8 months ago

          Yeah, I can see that, I was just trying to say that there Mac followed a standard

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        8 months ago

        For you to put your nasty fingerprints all over it?? I don’t think so

        • Apple, probably
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          8 months ago

          Every person I have ever met that uses an iMac for the first time naturally assumes that the Apple icon is the power button. Fact that it isn’t the power button is utterly idiotic

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    8 months ago

    I… uh… I know it’s going to be an unpopular opinion, but it makes sense. It’s not intended for daily usage - macs wake up on a keyboard or cursor movement. Sitting on the back increases the chance of accidental presses when you are trying to plug something in.

    You have a very few specific incidents where you would need to press the power button. 80% of their user base will not use the power button after the first initial press.

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      8 months ago

      Standby pointlessly draws power. I switch off all devices that don’t run on battery for that reason. But I’m not exactly Apple’s target audience anyway since I also consider the price before buying stuff.

      • fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        These machines draw 1 watt in sleep. There’s no need to turn them off.

        You’re probably using more power shutting down your PC every day than if you just put it in sleep. A minute of chugging away booting and loading all your junk at 100 watts vs 1 watt, and no waiting.

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        They are doing the Nike mistake - they are targeting users that have already purchased a Mac. Data-driven decisions are great, but this would just result in alienating people who are not already customers, or chase people out who are unhappy with this decision, so their next purchase will not be a Mac.

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    8 months ago

    It looks like you can push the button without lifting the tiny computer.

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      I also at first thought it’s not that bad, because it looks like the main part of the computer is “hovering”, because it stands on that round portion. But then I saw that the button is on the backside! Why? That way you have to reach around everything, making it impossible to fit the thing into some smaller space and still use it. If it was on the bottom but in the front you would still have your beloved button-less design but the button would still be pretty accessible.

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      8 months ago

      That would depend heavily on how accessible the computer is and how fat your fingers are. And I can tell you, mine are pretty fat.

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    8 months ago

    Well at least now you can actually see the damn black ports on the silver chassis. The M2 Mac Mini has the black ports on the black backside and it’s such a pain in the ass trying to find the USB C ports when I have to connect something.

    But yeah, putting the power button on the bottom is peak Apple stupidity.

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    8 months ago

    Please don’t ever turn your computer off, it makes it really hard to spy on you. Thanks -Apple

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    So many people referring to using the button to turn the computer off, but more than 95% of the time, you use the OS to turn a computer off. It’s only when there’s a malfunction you would need to turn it off with a hardware button.

    This button is primarily for turning the computer on.

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      A short press of the power button shuts down almost any computer in existence, why would you use the OS?

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        It’s still the OS doing it, it’s just reacting to the power button press like any other input device.

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        You raise a good point

        Honestly for me it’s muscle memory from the Windows 95 days of “it is now safe to turn off your computer” but I also don’t trust the OS to correctly interpret the ACPI signal sent by the power button 100% of the time. Obviously I’m not an average user, but I could see where an average user might consistently single press the power button to turn off a computer

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      I turn off my computer everyday maybe I’m one of those crazy ones. I think they did that so people would be discouraged to turn it off. They want the users to use their new AI feature. My other thinking is marketing if people talk about your product that’s probably a good thing.

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        Not even 0.5% of the time you’re interacting with the computer would you even think about the power button. Maybe in the first week because “lawl it’s on the bottom, Apple so stoopid.” Then you’d just get used to poking under the bottom of the computer and it turns on.

        IMO this is infinitely better than on the back like the old Mac mini. My mini is behind my headphone amp, and under a monitor so any time I need to hit the power button it’s a LONG awkward reach.

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        This button is primarily for turning the computer on.

        Sure but you still need to turn it on though?

        ?

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          I’m trying to say that it’s still a useful button to have in an accessible spot because, exactly as you said, it is still used to turn it on.

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      8 months ago

      Well like a lover you must reach behind and underneath to turn them on!

      …I seriously do not like Apples design language that basically requires me to fondle unseeable parts of the computer to find the power button. Too much risk of spiders back there!

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      8 months ago

      I assume there will be a power button on the keyboard or mouse. This is just sort of a backup.

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          I don’t, but apple does. This is why the touch ID is in the keyboard. To be fair it does come as a unit if you buy the mac new.