• Magnus@lemmy.brandyapple.com
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      4 months ago

      As someone who actually approves $$ for tech vendors in an American company, I can tell you that no matter how cheaply China-based services become, they still aren’t going to be seriously considered. Anthropic and OpenAI are based out of San Francisco. Legal jurisdiction to resolve contract disputes, breaches of confidentiality, etc. can be resolved in a fairly straightforward way between two American companies, especially when they are headquartered in the same court district.

      Chinese companies exist inside of a legal safe harbor where they have less incentive to play by the rules, and a much lower risk of consequences for getting caught breaking them. The risk isn’t worth the perceived savings.

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        One of the main features of Deepseek is that you can run it yourself. It doesn’t matter if Deepseek are based in China if you run the model on your own servers and thus guarantee that your data doesn’t leave your own data center.

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          True but you can run Linux on your own machine but it doesn’t stop anyone from paying AWS or Microsoft to handle it for them.

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            Yes but people will pay redhat Linux to use a distro with support. Also almost the entire US internet server infrastructure runs on Linux.

            So yeah a company can provide an open source product with commercial support

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              people will pay redhat Linux to use a distro with support

              never seen this happen in my 20 years career

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                Bizarre, I guess their business has been running on hopes and dreams instead of money for the past 30 years lol.

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            Give it 6 months and Amazon will be running this model for you “serverless” with a code name making it seem like their own product.

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    And they’re not even trying to create American jobs with this crap. The CHIPS Act is paired with a “chipmaker’s visa,” which intends to import cheap labor from Taiwan to work the US chip factories.

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        You’re not wrong, but the Dems are in on this, too. They were pushing the same chipmaker’s visa when they had the reigns, so I wouldn’t count on them helping.

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          They are also billionaire’s stooges. They’re just the “good cop” part of the arrangement. When we politely accept their domination rather than rebelliously accept their domination. Those are the only two choices.

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    People hyped for the Nvidia 5000 series better get their cards before prices skyrocket across the board. I guess graphics cards weren’t expensive enough or something.

    Really though, no brand is safe from the soon-to-be insane prices if this does go through as a blanket tariff without exceptions. Better to err on the safe side and upgrade soon as you can, if you need to and you’re not too wealthy to care.

    • Darth_Mew@lemmy.worldBanned
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      world going down faster than ur sister on a Friday night but PC parts go BRRrRRRRRrrrrRRRrRRRR

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        I’ve read some idiots online saying “you’re dumb if you didn’t wait for the 5000 series” based off of the revealed MSRP, as if the majority of people are ever going to buy at those prices (especially now with tariffs). What’s likely is that consumers will pay far more to get relatively less improvement if they go with a 5000 series card.

        There’s enough sucker fanboys for Nvidia that they’ll probably still sell though. Just like how there’s people who will buy the new Call of Duty each year.

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          Even for the big spenders the 5090 does not warrant a new purchase. The 4090 was fast enough for most things. For things the 4090 is not fast enough, the 30% bump will not be much help.

          A far bigger VRAM capacity would have been nice but 8GB extra is meh

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        The most cutting-edge chips are made in Taiwan. Hardly any (if any) chip foundry comes close to the quality they export. It will raise prices of nearly everything in a PC as consumers will probably buy up the remaining stock of modern hardware as an alternative.

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    But I thought the Tim Apple donation to the trump inauguration was supposed to curry enough favor to avoid this.

    ThisIsMySurpisedFace.jpg.

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    I don’t get the goal here. It’s not just that existing fabs are in Taiwan, I thought it was the knowledge was as well.

    I was under the impression that we’d built a couple of fabs here and they’re not productive due to a knowledge deficit. Maybe I’m uninformed.

    It seems, to my uninformed self, that if we impose tariffs we’d be strengthening Taiwan/China relations. Wouldn’t China still serve as a middle man?

    I don’t see us manufacturing when the dollar is so high relative to foreign currency; add in the lack of knowledge and facilities and I’m not sure what you get.

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      I truly believe these are his way of soliciting bribes from foreign and domestic businesses.

      They’re going to have to pay him to get around them.

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    Awesome! Send them to Canada, we can build data centres and sell the cloud services back to Americans powered by the electricity that we expect to be tarriffed, and cooled by the water we won’t sell.

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      Hell, use the waste heat to power hot water heaters or something. It blows my mind that we don’t do more cloud computing in cold environments. The servers produce heat, the people need heat, solve one problem with another. Instead we seem to be putting them in the driest and hottest climates available.

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        Indeed. My Alienware doubles as a space heater in my north facing office.

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      Or Mexico! We’re already on it. Sheinbaum is working to get a chip manufacturing plant up in Guadalajara. Exciting stuff, honestly.

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        Make the chips in Guadalajara, ship them out of Puerto Vallarta to Vancouver to power server farms in Surrey; cut the US out entirely.

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    Maybe it’ll bring chip prices down to Rest of the World™ to clear stock. Thanks Trump!

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          They are pocketing the higher margins in countries without the tariffs.

          If a $500 item now sells for $700 in the US because of tariffs, they are not going to keep its price in europe at €500. It’s also going to €700.