• MarshReaper@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    This is great. Now I can submit issues easier and look into contribution. Storing projects on Github is awful. The signup process is a mess.

  • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    1 month ago

    So wait.

    GitHub is Microsoft?

    EDIT: Okay, fuck that. I was just getting all set up there but not now.

    I am trying to decide between PyCharm and VS Code for my Python IDE. I was leaning toward VS Code, but they’re Microsoft too, aren’t they?

    • merdaverse@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft. And Rust since heavy ties to Amazon. Don’t look for a job on Linkedin (where most listings are posted) because that’s also Microsoft. Actually, just to spare you the time, avoid programming altogether and do something like farming, since no Big Tech influence there. /s

      • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I’m retired and doing hobby projects in Python and java, so I get choices (including not playing) but wtf, big tech figured out how to take over open source?

        That’s particularly evil.

        • merdaverse@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          A cynical explanation would be using the EEE theory to explain all of this.

          A more nuanced one would be that corporations benefit from open source since it creates an easier pipeline to onboard engineers and they also benefit from the free labor that people put into the projects out of passion. Whether they want to kill OSS after embracing it is debatable, but they definitely want to have as much leverage on it as possible.

          • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Bill Gates stated: “One thing we have got to change in our strategy – allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other people’s browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depend on proprietary IE capabilities. Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has to avoid doing something to destroy Windows.”

            That Wikipedia is a gold mine of evil.

          • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I’m not trying to be like some HOLY MOUNTAIN that no unclean things can ever touch.

            I’m just trying to keep myself free. I’ll use people’s stuff. If that starts becoming bondage, I’m out

        • retro@infosec.pubEnglish
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          1 month ago

          They can support these languages because they have the resources to do so.

          • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I feel like a good illustration would be a bicycle.

            1. My bicycle works fine, a little slow, but it beats walking, and requires little to no outside resources or upkeep.
            2. My neighbor, Joe Microsoft, slaps an 80cc motor on my bike. It’s a lot faster, and less work for me, and Joe keeps it full of gas and tuned up, and fixes it when it breaks.
            3. I need Joe now to support my biking. I no longer have the resources to do it at this level, but Joe does.

            Is that about right? Are we selling open source for speed and convenience?

      • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Yes, also remember to completely avoid Typescript and C# since they are also Microsoft.

        This, but unironically.

      • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I do like the work Microsoft has done with typescript itself, but more and more I’m seeing they are trying to tie up the language to VSCode, treating other editors as “second class citizens” for it and that has started to make me reconsider things.

    • theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Might check out Zed. Relatively new editor from the folks behind Atom and treesitter. Extremely fast with an excellent interface and vim mode. The second best vim mode behind Neovim.

      • robber@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        1 month ago

        I’ve been testing Zed for the last couple weeks for some Vue / Nuxt projects. It works great for that and seems very stable so far, but is also developed by a for-profit. Curious to see how the Zedless project works out.

        • theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I actually think their comments when it first went open source are pretty compelling. I don’t disagree with you and I’m interested to see how zedless fares, but new projects of this scale are tough to do well and quickly. I’m pretty happy with their current approach.

      • Justin@lemmy.jlh.nameEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Zed is great! Not as many features as IntelliJ, but insanely fast, and new features are being added all the time.

    • nnullzz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      PyCharm is a solid choice. It just works. But if you’re open to another editor, take a look at Zed. It has python support too. It’s super snappy and way less bloated than the others.

    • GreenKnight23@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I can forgive not knowing github is MS.

      but, how in the actual fuck did you not know VS Code is MS?

      do you just close your eyes and code blind all day long?

      • sudneo@lemm.eeEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Maybe they are just getting started with learning programming, be kind.

        • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Ding ding ding ding ding!

          Like, just BRAND NEW, leaning baby programmer!

          Nope, not that. Haven’t earned the name ‘programmer’ at all.

          Just a guy who is starting to learn and is probably going to abandon learning but is going to try anyway and is trying not to fuck up in the beginning! Guy.

          Plus I’m 63. So learning anything at all is like nailing boards to sand.

          Maybe I learned it, but that was last week. Can’t expect me to remember last week shit.

          • nickwitha_k (he/him)@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Keep learning and asking questions! Maybe programming isn’t something for you or maybe it’ll be a big part of your life. You’ll never know without giving it a try.

            Please don’t get discouraged by the curmudgeons. Not all of us experienced in the field have given into grouchiness.

          • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            If you want to use VSCode without the Microsoft bits, they actually provide that officially. VSCodium is VSCode with all the Microsoft-specific bits stripped out (or rather, not added in in the first place, at compile time). It’s all open source too so you can either verify yourself or have a knowledgeable friend do an audit on your behalf.

            I use VSCode at work a lot and enjoy it quite a bit. A good alternative would be to use Kate/Kwrite with all of the coding plugins and the linter plugins turned on, the experience is pretty close to VSCode/ium without store extensions.

    • ghost_towels@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I’m also very new to doing any type of programming, and also don’t remember things from last week lol. I use Kate, it’s from KDE which is from the Linux world but works on windows! They have some other good programs that also work on windows (and Mac too I think!) if you’re trying to extract yourself from there. I don’t know python very well so don’t know if Kate is the best choice compared to PyCharm for your use case, but might be a good allrounder.

    • Yaky@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Has been since 2018, and acquisition news caused quite an upset at the time.

  • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Nice!

    I actually recently set up my own Forgejo instance, and it’s remarkably similar to GitHub, to the point where they share Github’s “actions” code.

    Congrats! More hosting diversity is a good thing.

    • Clearwater@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Forgejo Actions is definitely not a turnkey idential-to-GitHub solution, but it’s quite similar and for most not-super-complicated setups it’s basically the same (for better or worse, depending on if you like GH’s Actions).

      As far as I remember, everything that I need works out of the box, except for Docker. In fact, just about everything Docker is somewhat quirky in Forgejo Actions.

      1. One mildly annoying quirk of Forgejo is that as of current, the token generated for each Actions run is not quite the same as GitHub’s token. For my specific use case, if you want to upload a Docker Image to the package repository, you can not use the standard auto-generated token, which GitHub does allow you to use. Forgejo instead currently requires you generate your own app token and use that instead, as the auto-generated one lacks permissions over packages. (https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/3571)

      2. Depending on your infrastructure, it might just be impossible to make the various Docker-related actions (such as https://code.forgejo.org/docker/build-push-action) work. As an example, my infrastructure outlined below is one such case where those actions simply do not work.

      Bare Metal (Debian 12) /
├─ Rootless Podman/
   ├─ Forgejo
   ├─ Forgejo Runner
   ├─ Podman-in-Podman (Inner Podman also Rootless)/
      ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>

* If you use rootful Docker with Docker-in-Docker, those actions will then work as expected. It is just that attempting to make them work with Rootless Podman (at least the version that ships with Debain 12) currently seems to be impossible.
      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 month ago
        1. that’s really too bad, I hope that gets resolved soon
        2. that’s a pretty old version of podman (4.3 looks like?); also, why have nested podman? My infra is something like this:
        Bare Metal
├─ Rootless Podman
   ├─ Forgejo
├─ Rootless Forgejo Runner (planning to run on another machine entirely)
   ├─ <Actions Containers Run Here>

        I doubt the extra level of nesting is the issue though. If your issue is networking, then maybe the version of podman is the issue, since they switched out the networking layer in 5.0. I upgraded for a related reason, though I’m still getting some odd issues (mostly w/ the DNS resolver).

        I haven’t gotten to cross-compiling just yet, nor have I needed to build a docker image since my projects are very much in the testing phase. But maybe I’ll give it a shot soon, since it’s better to catch these types of issues before it becomes a bigger problem.

        • Clearwater@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I agree that it is quite possibly related to the version of Podman moreso than an inherent issue. I am currently satisfied, however, and have no desire to fiddle with it any more… Or at least until Debian 13 gets released.

          My use of PinP is almost entirely for cleanliness. It allows me to more easily wipe the build environment (clear out space, troubleshooting). It also mildly improves security as the ‘untrusted’ actions containers run on a separate environment from the important Forgejo container.

          The workaround I use for the premade Docker actions not functioning is to simply install Podman as one of the build steps and use that instead, lol. (Some configuration required, but that’s the gist.)

    • Ernest@lemm.eeEnglish
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      1 month ago

      I love that they have scoped labels while GitHub still doesn’t

    • mesamunefire@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Yep I got one too. Works great and self hosted. I swear its actually faster than GH is nowadays.

      And I like that it doesn’t try to advertise and recommend a ton of repos to do you like GH does now.

      • DreamButt@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        GitHub has slowly become an advertising platform for repos more than anything. I miss what it was just a couple of years ago. It did exactly what you needed when you needed it. Now it’s just so bloated

      • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 month ago

        What’s wrong w/ actions? Is there something else you prefer?

        I think they’re quite powerful. There are a variety of triggers, runners are fairly easy to configure (easy to scale up), and the syntax is pretty straightforward. It seems to work pretty well.

        • neclimdul@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Every other ci in existence you just write a command. Then if it doesn’t work you run the command on your machine and fix it.

          Actions are “magic” which means you have to fake the ci runner with tools and reverse engineer the action to run local debugging and if it failed you might not even fully know what was running with digging into the actions source.

          GitHub provides you the tools and their “easy” until they aren’t.

          It’s very Microsoft though. It feels like trying to write a Windows app and trying to get your random Net environment definition to line everything up and compile in VS then hoping the same thing happens when you deploy.

          • trevor (he/they)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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            1 month ago

            You can just write bash scripts in your actions if you want them to be easily replicatable on your local machine, so you don’t really lose anything with that system.

        • theherk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I prefer Gitlab CICD but there are many. Actions had a lot of potential. Then Microsoft bought GitHub and just slapped the Actions label on their CI. If you pull off the mask, it is just Azure devops.

          • neclimdul@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I do too. I kinda miss Jenkins but a lot of the conveniences in GitLab’s CI are really nice and it’s better for 99% of use cases.

    • Lichtblitz@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Seemingly one of the contributors has visited a disputed region and logged into GitHub from there. By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal. But either Microsoft dragged it’s feet in communicating and resolving the issue or the organic maps team was not doing their part in the process. Doesn’t matter, the outcome is still worth it.

      • Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        1 month ago

        What are we, North Korea? We can’t accept information from certain countries? I can understand being wary of state-sponsored information terrorism, but “Hey, here’s a Cuban road? A good place for a guava and cheese pastry?”

        Come on. This was really the trigger?

      • WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        1 month ago

        By law (export controls) Microsoft must not provide service to that place. So some automatism flagged the account and also the organic maps repo. So far so normal.

        not normal at all! don’t serve the website. that is normal. but ban anyone logging in seemingly from there, on sight? that’s literally “shoot first, ask later” in tech! totally abnormal, if this is the reason

    • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.netEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Apparently, one of the contributors did a push while visiting Cuba and since Cuba in sanctioned by US they just blocked the entire repo. Insane.

  • qaz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    I’m looking forward to the time Forgejo starts supporting Forgefed

  • nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    1 month ago

    ai driven anti-spam is destroying the internet and deleting legitimate businesses every day. there is usually no customer support, and there are no humans in charge. there is nothing you can do.

    • f00f/eris@startrek.websiteEnglish
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      1 month ago

      Going by their Mastodon account, seems they were erroneously detected as “from a US-sanctioned region” and it took too long for said error to be resolved, so they just made the switch.

      • latsss@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        1 month ago

        “US sanctioned region” is russia. The developer team fully consist of russian citizens, some of them are still in russia.

        • Safipok@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Aren’t they now based in Estonia since when the company was established?

          • latsss@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            1 month ago

            They can be de jure in Estonia and de facto wherever they want.

            E.g OnlyOffice claim to be based in baltics too, but the development office is still in Nizhniy Novgorod(russia).

            • Safipok@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              21 days ago

              De jure is what’s good enough for me. I am not interested in vindicating ordinary Russians for something they couldn’t even vote for.

        • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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          1 month ago

          The developer team fully consist of russian citizens

          I dont think thats correct. Do you have a source? The predecessor that it was forked from maps.me maybe, but the current dev team has nothing to do with that project anymore.

            • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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              1 month ago

              The only person on this list that lives in Russia is Alexey Naumenko. So what are you yappin about? So far i also cant see that name on the new member list https://git.omaps.dev/org/organicmaps/members

              mapsme: founded by Yury Melnichek, later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako

              organicmaps: founded by Roman Tsisyk (completely unrelated to mapsme) and later joined by Alexander Borsuk and Viktor Govako

              So the founders are not the same, but some devs from the old project joined organic maps.

              • latsss@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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                1 month ago

                Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.

                Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.

                yappin

                Just adding context, because thir wording makes everyone think like “out of the blue, by some stupid coincidence one of the developers possibly seemed to be somewhere around some misteruous sanctioned region”

                • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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                  1 month ago

                  Not really nice of you to edit the message after it was replied to.

                  I didnt…

                  My last edit was at: Saturday, March 29th, 2025 at 9:34:06 AM GMT+01:00

                  Your comment was posted at: Saturday, March 29th, 2025 at 9:45:53 AM GMT+01:00

                  Changing your github profile location does not mean neither factual relocation, nor changing citizenship.

                  Then where are you getting 6-7 from? Those people could be Polish or Ukrainian or born somewhere completely different. They could have moved, changed citizenship, whatever. I dont know. You dont know.

        • gruhuken@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Why aren’t russian people allowed to upload code. Why does the US get to dictate everything

          • latsss@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Microsoft is a US based company. They cannot legally make business with sanctioned entities. And since it’s not profitable for them - they just made a geoblock geoblock

            Could MS ignore the sanctions in that case? probably

      • Steen @discuss.onlineEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Shit. I live in Denmark. How do you download a whole github repository, commits, issues and all?

        • daddy32@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Good question. Commits are easy - they are part of git core functionalities so are included in every copy of the repository (for example developers’ local copies) but github specific contents like comments, issues, PRs…?

          • vermaterc@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            1 month ago

            This should also be part of git repo (but maybe not downloaded through typical git clone as it might be too large though). Has developers of git ever considered doing this?

            • Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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              1 month ago

              The original developer of Git is Linus Torvalds and he wrote it for the use of developing Linux. He handed off the project to Junio Hamano after a short while who still leads it. They use a process where you submit patches by mail, for Linux and for Git itself too.

              To make this easier they have the commands git format-patch, git send-email and git applymbox later changed to git am to apply them. They also added git request-pull to generate a short plaintext email like message to request a pull.

              The Pull Request as a bigger concept of data and discussion that should be kept around came from GitHub and was put over top of Git. The concept has been rebuilt by various competitors separately. But it doesn’t match the Linux and Git development model so they never used GitHub Pull Request, even though there is a GitHub mirror of Linux and a GitHub mirror of Git. For them the discussions happens in the mailing list.

              So it’s very unlikely they would start including the stuff that was added by others over top, that they don’t need.

        • TJA!@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 month ago

          You can make git clone and get all the code and commits. Issues are a GitHub feature and they cannot be downloaded by a simple git command

          • Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            1 month ago

            You can import it on an alternative like gitlab. The process of moving something from github to gitlab is just as smooth as if everything was contained in the repo itself.

            • morbidcactus@lemmy.caEnglish
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              1 month ago

              Personally, recommend forgejo, gitlab has a lot of features I didn’t need and I found the upgrade process if you didn’t keep on top of it annoying. Forgejo actions are pretty similar to github ones and setting up runners is super straightforward.

  • Mike@lemm.eeEnglish
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    1 month ago

    Ah, the threatened oligarchy is at it again. I’m sure its purely a coincidence and not at all a retaliation for people abandoning big tech en masse.