As much as I resent religion, I do believe it’s fundamentally a human problem. People everywhere have a tendency to corrupt beliefs in order to justify being assholes to one another.
Religon was created as a control mechanism for governments that didn’t have the capability to enforce laws.
It’s a method to make communities self police.
Today it is a dangerous tool left lying around for any con man to pick up and weild
That’s why fascist movements always have a religious/nationalist base.
100%
That being said, dogmatic belief systems, which tend to be common in religion, seem to act as force multipliers in this regard.
Yeah especially if such dogmatic beliefs make people think dumb or unethical stuff is somehow okay.
I dont get it, which minority am I supposed to blame for all my problems now?
The 1%
the assholes
Unfortunately, they are no longer a minority.
How many assholes have we got on this planet anyhow?
Few billion
You’re right, Mexicans do suck
Put the /s on, we need it these days.
Billionaires
The rich.
Need an asshole, hyrulian fortune teller…
The bottom-left one for Feminists doesn’t fit. The others are things that were created by their own group, for example, the KKK was created by Christians. That Feminist meme, on the other hand, wasn’t created by feminists but by someone else to mock them.
TBF I think it’d be risky to use legit examples for that panel
TERFs maybe?
My thought exactly. Most of the “feminists” who do fit that stereotype ended up becoming Feminist Appropriating Reactionary Transphobes.
Ahahahahahaa FARTs
Good point, pic of JK Rowling would fit there I’d say.
Or the “all men are rapists” crowd, one of the two tbh.
Can’t say I’ve ever come across one of those
There is a lot of overlap, TERFs usually have a problem with trans women because they deeply mistrust men. The “R” is there for a reason.
I have to say personally I surround myself with wonderful and kind men so it makes sense that I’ve never met someone in real life who so adamantly hates all of them.
I understand being wary of men for statistical reasons, for example I won’t get into a situation where I’m in a room alone with a man I don’t know well, but that’s not to say I assume every man I meet is a rapist.
Hell, hot take incoming (this one is controversial): we can even acknowledge that a lot of men have raped people without knowing it for many years because of the way they were socialized with media that encouraged pestering for sexual attention. A lot of men I know are guilty of this but I think it’s important that that can be redeemable if they recognize that it happened and have since changed their behaviour. This seems to be an extremely common experience and I wouldn’t go as far as to call them rapists because that was not their intention and they are usually horrified when they realize it.
Sorry for the tangent, I do feel like this isn’t talked about enough.
we can even acknowledge that a lot of men have raped people without knowing it
I wouldn’t go as far as to call them rapists because that was not their intention
I see what you’re getting at, but I really wouldn’t use that word in any context where there might have been, for example, any power dynamic or some form of coercion. I believe that keeping it reserved for situations where violence or significant coercion are involved is better for everyone, especially the victims.
Doesn’t mean using mild coercion/emotional blackmail/pestering/shaming/… is okay behaviour, not at all, it’s just that saying no/leaving won’t usually do much beyond change the relationship between the people involved. Talking about that is fine, good and needed, using “rape” to describe it will probably shut down any conversation before it can even begin, though.
I’d also argue that that sort of behaviour is something both men and women engage in, maybe in different ways but, well, the expectation on men is to always be sexually available, so it sometimes becomes an issue when they are not. Mutual respect and understanding really are the most important things in a relationship, both participants are fully realized human beings, not just “the girlfriend/wife” or “the boyfriend/husband”. But people seem to forget that sometimes and I don’t know what can be done about that.
Every woman I know has experienced at least sexual harrasment. Most have experienced SA or rape. Even if a man hasn’t done it, he will probably stick by his shitty mates who do or will still stay friends with them because awkwardness and bravery is harder for them than silent compliance.
If its “not all men” then it is certainly all women.
I’m picking that bear over you.
I’m sorry you have a hard life.
That’s just womanhood
Only because you make it so.
The number of assholes calling themselves feminists vastly outnumber the actual feminists. They have lost control of the word.
Most feminists just don’t call themselves feminists anymore because doing so makes you very likely to get harassed
I prefer to call myself egalitarian
Well they’re not really the same thing, feminism is a social movement with the goal with furthering equality. Egalitarianism just means you think everyone’s equal, doesn’t mean you actually care enough to make that a reality.
I disagree and as far as I can tell, so does Wikipedia.
Then you failed to read what I wrote
And the “keep calm and hate god” was clearly created by a theist, not an atheist
Good point. Why would an atheist hate something which doesn’t exist. The whole meme is bad.
Many atheists “hate god” as in hate the idea of a god. I can see atheist making that as a meme and I know some edgy atheists post that kind of shit all the time, which tbh is corny as hell.
Should’ve been a picture of Stalin. And the feminist one should’ve been a picture of J. K. Rowling
That would have been better yes
Yeah, I could see it being from an antitheist if it was more along of the lines of “fuck all gods” or something along those lines. That’s operating under the assumption that all antitheists are atheists, which may not be true.
… Someone who is a theistic antitheist sounds like an interesting person.
allow me to introduce you to misotheism. my favourite take is that of famed mathematician Paul Erdös, who referred to god as the ‘SF’, which stood for ‘supreme fascist’, who he said horded all the best mathematical proofs for himself.
I vote OP take the meme down and repost it with Shiela Jeffries or Camille Paglia replacing the feminist…
That’s right, extremism breeds assholes.
And ‘assholes’ just appear at random? Nothing in these groups increases or decreases the asshole frequency? Imagine if we thought of all culture that way. Forget about progressive politics changing people’s minds and thereby their behavior. “Some people are just ‘assholes’, what are you gonna do?”
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally. You fight assholiness in the individual level. You can’t change a culture like that. You can only educate people and they will change their own culture.
Assuming the probability of assholiness based on culture is how you treat cultures unequally.
If you agree that bad ideas can be part of cultures (large or small) to a higher or lesser degree, it follows that some cultures have a higher frequency of people with the need for the individual ‘education’ you’re suggesting.
Not all beliefs are equal. If you hold by a holy text that says that women can (and should) be bought and sold or are otherwise ‘lesser’ than men, or you revere an imbecilic demagogue who claims that all immigrants are rapists, murderers and gang members, then yes, the “culture” of your group will have a higher probability of any given person being an asshole than a group of randomly-selected Humanists, for example. To equivocate that all belief systems are equal from a moral perspective is deeply naive.
ETA: I am not a humanist, because I believe that there is a point at which violence is necessary and justified to protect other lives and the rights thereof.
The downvotes for this are wild lmao
Judging by the replies, they’re forgetting which sub this is
I’m not sure I’d use Bill Nye as the example of the asshole atheist, unless that’s the joke. Maybe Christopher Hitchens.
Bill Nye kind of is a dick though.
Some people are really warm in acute person-to-person interactions, but lack the chronic empathy to spread long-term kindness. See “southern hospitality” clashing with who those areas vote for.
Others have a well-oriented moral compass but are just really abrasive in person. That’s Bill Nye. I’ve met him and he’s not like, super mean but he’s got a bit of a holier-than-thou (or rather, smarter-than-you) complex.
No, it’s saying Nye is a good person. He’s an atheist and not an asshole.
But you do touch on something because it would be a challenge to find someone known for being atheist while also being a decent human being. IDK, maybe Daniel Dennitt?
I see. Perhaps I misunderstood the format.
For the asshole, I would have gone with Dawkins
This is lemmy. All these people are like 14. They have no idea who Dawkins is.
Lol, and here I was imagining the average lemming as a mid 30s-40s dude with a linux thinkpad and a preference for femboys with long socks.
Before the reddit exodus, that was probably true. Now it is very obviously full of people with edgy takes and no life experience.
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You can see it in the various ‘asklemmy’ communities. When I was left wondering if we were being brigaded by folks from nostupidquestions or having a bot trying to drive engagement with simpleminded stuff, I knew the original lemmy feeling was about to be gone.
It makes me a little grumpy that I have to experience the eternal september.
American war propaganda poster for illustrating feminism, that’s certainly a choice
Yeah and “we can do it,” until the men come back home and take the jobs back.
Reminds me a of a joke "Why do people in North Dakota spend so much time at the bar?
Because Colonel Custer told them to hang out there until he got back."
Equality achieved in mid 90s. (adjusting for voluntary life choices of parenting full time) Much more men than women dropped out of labour force since.
Well, technically, it was never equal numbers and the gap between has remained the same, but you could argue that maternity and also elderly gender disparity contribute to that, yeah.
How many men died over there though. Those jobs became vacant
Honestly your comment triggers the fuck out of me. Are you saying women had it worse in ww2? lol should men returning from war not be entitled to their job back?
To explain your downvotes.
Women were encouraged to join the work force on top of all of the parenting/wifely duties they were saddled with for generations. This was a lot of work, but it also provided a glimpse into financial independence and equal placement in the workplace for the first time.
But when the war was over, women were encouraged to jump right back into the kitchen.
should men returning from war not be entitled to their job back
There are many jobs that need to be done to make society work. There are plenty of jobs at home that they could have taken.
I feel as if that’s kind of fair given that the men were the ones who had to die without any choice in the matter, no?
Also I didn’t know I was downvoted as I have that turned off lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill#Problems
Except a lot of men who fought over there were rewarded with returning back to the bottom rung of the socioeconomic ladder.
Status quo was maintained. Women and people of color were promised opportunity and reward for helping with the war effort, but largely didn’t get it.
Terrible implementation of a decent idea, try again
There are in fact assholes of every stripe and it is good to be aware of those within your own “camps”
Sorry for the autism :)
Why is the bottom right picture done like that, it looks like these feminists just want to be more like men.
Why am I saying this? Because that position of the arm is there to show a bulging contracted bicep. Women have a lot less muscle there, so it doesn’t make sense.
Wouldn’t feminism be better when striving for things that women are naturally better at than men.
We don’t need to do the same stuff, everyone can do what they want.
But don’t make a fish climb a tree. Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
And for women, being physically strong will usually be less attainable. Obviously there are exceptions. When I was 65 kg I could deadlift 140 kg, so a lot of muscle isn’t actually needed for strength, but still you get what I’m saying.
This type of stuff, as I was growing up, made me actually believe men and women were the same.
After years of talking extensively to men and women, I can assure you that’s not the case.
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
/End autistic rant
If you’d like a bit of a read, the character portrayed there is named Rosie the Riveter.
It’s definitely a wartime relic, but the history behind it is very interesting!
There should be no stereotyping, but we are indeed different and do not need to be the same.
thank you very much. that is called common sense, not autism. we can celebrate our differences as well as our similarities.
I forgive you your autism lol, I was raised very similarly especially because I had three sporty sisters (much sportier than I was).
Everyone should cultivate their own strengths and learn their own weaknesses.
That’s what happens if you remove sex barriers for work. For instance, most people could not be firefighters regardless of their sex or hormonal makeup. In fact most men do not have what it takes to be a firefighter. But some men do, and some women also do. And most importantly, these men and women have the drive and motivation to become good at it.
I’m not even saying there are the same amount of qualified candidates between men and women, but there are enough in both groups that it makes sense not to limit applications along lines of sex or gender.
Of course it shouldn’t be limited. Sometimes it feels like they are shoving women in the direction of being more like men. Which I find unnecessary.
Just let people be who they are
It sometimes feels fabricated
No atheist hates god. How can you hate something you don’t think exists?
Since we are already being unhelpful: Atheist don’t all are unsure about if God exists. Some may believe God does not exist, some don’t care. Some believers might be unsure or don’t care either.
being unsure or uncaring is supposed to be agnosticism, though. atheism is an outright rejection of the possibility. (this is NOT a commentary on if one is more correct than the other.)
Tbf, you can think god isn’t “real” while also hating the concept of “god” for being responsible for so much war and division throughout history (among other reasons.)
Well in that case, if a religious person accuses you that you hate their god, it’s still not true. Because that religious person thinks of their god as a real entity, while you hate their concept of god. The target of that hate is not the same.
There is a difference between god as a character and God as a concept; the former one is (in my belief) nonexistent, the latter exists as long as his worshipper worship him.
The correct word would be “antitheist”
That’s as may be, but that’s not the word that was used in the meme.
Then you just hate theists
I hate this xD
It’s misotheist
I dunno. I’m not entirely an atheist (my religion is blasphemy. If the gods exist, they like a target) but I can hate something I don’t think exists. Some of those deities are godsdamned genocidal maniacs and pedophiles.
I guess you can hate god as a concept. God can be proven to exists in human minds (no esoteric stuff, just psychology and sociology). You can hate this scientific fact and what it means for humankind.
People hate on fictional characters all the time though.
ITT people missing the point and projecting their own beliefs and values.
This is how people “strawman”. It’s easy to hate on atheists if you just see them all as their asshole members. The truth is that any group has their violent nutjobs and vocal minorities. You can’t just say all Muslims are terrorists just the same as you can’t say feminists are hateful crazies.
Nah organized religon is actually evil
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actually dangerous white supremacist
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guy in a ninja costume with a knife
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weird meme
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completely made up stereotype
1/4: do better next time!
Misandrists exist, but most are harmless. Social media just does a good job of amplifying them like all outrage.
No it doesn’t. You just don’t want to admit that you benefit from misogyny.
You realize that both misogyny and misandry can exist at the same time in different people?
I don’t know why you feel like you know me well enough to make that claim.
The claim that there is such a thing as misandry places them on equal footing and minimises the scale of cultural misogyny.
No it doesn’t. The world isn’t that binary. That’s a twitter mindset.
Read some Judith Butler or Angela Davis
I’m not doing homework for you. Why don’t you explain it here?
It also doesn’t matter. There are encyclopedias worth of work explaining every opinion you can think of. Thing is, I’ve dealt with misandrists. One was a guy so far into the “men cause all the problems” territory that the women of that friend group had to have an intervention because he was being increasingly condescending to even women because he didn’t think they could fight their own fights.
Honestly, the biggest issue that misandrists cause is being used as a poster child for misogynists for their impression of feminists. Mostly irrelevant because misogynists don’t need evidence or reason for their mindsets. Like I said, most misandrists are harmless, but they do exist.
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Its always fun when the christian pastor will joke about changing the carpets in the church, while i see posts about the muslims in ramadan will give food to the poor during thier religious month or ramadan.
Hell (jumping to the dark side. Sorry muslims) but suicide bombers are willing to give thier life to what they believe in (yes, killing others is bad, but giving your life to a cause is respectible), while my christian pastor will live next to neighbours sleeping on a matress in thier front yard, and do nothing to help thier PHYSICAL neighbour.
Maybe I am the outlier, but for all I see, Christians are the ones pretending to do good, while the muslims had a rough patch almost 20 years ago, and are doing more good that the christians in the last 5 years or so.
Not sure where you’re from, but in germany and austria, christians are definitely doing good. Churches here have a lot of support networks for everyone, especially elderly and people in need. In germany, we also have the “diakonie”, a service of the … protestant church? (idk how to translate that properly into english, the opposites of catholics here lmao), which is a major part of elderly care. And in many villages or smaller cities, the churches are open during the night for the homeless to take shelter, if they want to.
While I’m really not a big fan of religions in general, I feel like it’s unfair to claim that christians don’t do anything for society at large. At least from my european perspective.
Born in South Africa. Grand Father was a Pastor. He put sandwiches on top of the rubbish bins so homeless wouldnt have to search bins for food. (Went back there as an adult. So many things to say there)
Early teens in UAE. Had Muslim neighbours. Nicest family Ive met. Didnt push thier beliefs on anyone.
Australia. Mid teens to adult+. Got diss-illusioned with the church. Pastor made jokes about rhe old building. Had a notebook to take notes on what he said each week. Realised he duplicated some sermons.
I am fully open to believe it was my late teens - ealry adulthood that opened my eyes to the real world, or irs the churches fault for not sheltering me enough to convinee me that christianty is the way forward.
I already said the pastor had neighbours sleeping in the yard, but at the same time, they were trying to convice us teens to go overseas ro recruit new christians there. If you can afford plane tickets over seas, you can afford a blanket and some hot food for people in your home town.
Again, theres over 7 billion people on this planet. Maybe im just unlucky, got the short straw, and saw the worst of christianity, but im probably not going back.
Edit/Update Theres nothing wrong with believing in something. There is something wrong with forcing others to believe in what you believe.
My mom is a devout christian, but was forced to divorce my abusive dad. Am I going to tell her she is wrong? No, jesus is what is keeping her sane. My dad believes that he is the man of the house, but now he thinks the can punch his way to victory. Forcing others to believe what he believes is a no-no.
My aunt in South Africa is living in 1/4 of a house. (Bought for cheep ro renovate with husband. Husband died. Now she is 50+y/o, living in a bedroom, baththoom, and kitchen, while the living room, dining room, and 3 bedrooms are pretty much non-exsistent, with only her faith to keep her going? Im not going to tell her that she made a mistake.
Faith/belief can make ordinary humans do incredible things.
But forcing it onto others is where I get uncomfortable.
