Just some additional advertising for todays boycott.
If your protest is convenient it’s a shitty protest. I’m sorry, but this is a shitty protest.
I disagree with both the premise and the conclusion. Even if skipping corporate stuff for a day is only a mild inconvenience, that is still obviously not convenient. Second, there’s no reason to suspect convenience should strongly impact effectiveness. How much did it inconvenience anyone to boycott South Africa in the 80s?
Maximizing effectiveness for unit of effort is smart. And when a tiny change in share price can make a big difference in CEO compensation, we’d be complete masochists not to use that in our favor. But also even if you’re into maximizing pain, if we wanna talk about permanently going after these corporations then it’s gotta start somewhere. And it’s best to start with getting people to do what’s easy.
This does literally nothing unless you make it a consistent thing.
Ok. Make it a consistent thing then. Starting today.
I’m already broke. I’m boycotting everyone except my landlord, Aldis, the liquor store, and my weed/psychedelic bro
I might agree if I believed there was any viable impact here, but even 1mil multiplied by zero is still zero.
That an corporations don’t care about their daily numbers unless they are trending. Like, people won’t buy stuff today, so they will just go buy the stuff tomorrow. Monthly and quarterly profits took no hit.
Fully agree. While I wholeheartedly support the intent of this protest, it is entirely performative for the sake of the participants, not for the sake of actually affecting change.
Honest question, what is an accessible first step for a population that has basically never performed any collective action that isn’t performative?
Is standing outside a local government building holding a sign to protest federal policy affecting change?
In my view, at least this one day action has a marginal economic impact. Holding a sign on your lunch break so you can post some pictures to Instagram is way more performative.
But it doesn’t have marginal impact. It has zero impact. Whether you spend money on Thursday or Friday, the bottom line is the same. We are starting from the false premise that this has any impact, when the smallest amount of critical thought renders that false immediately.
Yes, get the hell out and stand in front of government offices with signs. Make noise. Be seen. Do anything other than pretending keeping your items in your shopping cart for one additional day has any impact.
That’s completely backwards. It costs elected officials and our corporate overlords LITERALLY nothing to ignore your protest. It’s bad PR at best. Even then, manipulating news coverage, headlines and soundbites is second nature to these people.
How long would an economic strike have to be for it to have an impact you won’t handwave away? There could be prepped food on shelves today that gets thrown out tomorrow. Do it over a weekend and no tickets get sold to a show. Do it for a week and logistics starts getting fucked up.
Standing around and making noise without any other change to your lifestyle or attempting to organize your efforts is completely hollow. Not to mention, infinitely less accessible to people who can’t afford the time or don’t have the physical ability to attend.
Do it for a week and logistics starts getting fucked up.
Yes, change the entire nature and scope of the protest and it might be impactful, I agree with you.
Do it over a weekend and no tickets get sold to a show.
…do you think people are still primarily buying event tickets from in-person box offices same day?
The point is that it has an impact that you’re arbitrarily ignoring. If you scale your sign holding and chanting up to 3 million people in a state capital then it might be impactful as well.
The key here is which of these is a more accessible and reasonable thing to ask people to do as a first action? Is it easier to organize 3 protests of 50,000 people in a month or have 500,000 cut their spending in half for a month?
How about pooling money together and starting a competing co-op?
I agree! So let’s all stop spending today to get people on board and save a few bucks, then use that momentum to pool that money the next day.
People seem to dislike this protest because inaction is seen as ineffective and opposed to active protest. Its “too easy”, which puts a bad taste in their mouth.
But on the other hand:
- its dead easy
- has no barrier to entry
- has no regressive downside on those unable to spend
- even partial participation can add up
- is simple to communicate and organize
- doing it for one day makes it easy to see how you could do it for longer. The hardest part of any diet is when you just start out
If anything, I see putting the economic brakes on as allowing for more leverage and room to organize. If work is slow maybe you have more time to attend that protest; maybe you’re not in a rush to get back to the shop if it’s closed early.
Gotta start somewhere with people. The point is that anyone can do this, and it’s easy to do, but it isn’t really any more difficult to show up to a town hall. And while yes, you and I can (and probably do) take larger, more effective steps, longer boycotts, etc. We need numbers, and that, I think, is the real value of this.
A million times zero is still zero. We gain nothing by entirely performative action. Start somewhere, but make it somewhere meaningful.
Businesses tend to notice trends during economic upswings/downturns. To date, consumer spending has been steadily rising in no small part thanks to upward pressure on wages and inflationary pressure on prices. If we’re entering a recessionary spiral, you won’t need to have a “No Spending Day”. People will reflexively cut their spending when they lose their income.
Something like this might have more teeth if it was paired with protest marches or sit-ins or other actions intended to signal that prices had run away from incomes. But that doesn’t seem to be the message this meme is sending. Nobody is getting encouraged to stand outside a Target and wave a big sign that says “Stop Bird Flu! Make Eggs Cheap Again!” or picketing an Amazon Warehouse over low wages and long hours.
Donating to non-profits is still cool though.
Positive boycotts are the best boycotts.
Otherwise people just delay consumption.
I’m sure this one day boycott will be just as effective as the others were.
If you want results you need to put in time and have a target. Conservatives didn’t boycott beer, they boycotted Bud Light. They didn’t do it for a day, they did it until Bud Light gave up. Say what you will about the “why” of it, but it was effective.
Doing boycotts like this one is putting in time and having targets. No one thinks a single day of boycotting will change the world, it’s part of the process.
One thing that definitely won’t get results is listening to people like you who shit on every effort to get a movement going, which is happening. There will be a next step, and another, and maybe one of those steps could be boycotting a single company or product like the Montgomery bus boycott or Pepsi during apartheid.
Be constructive and not negative.
I laid out what an effective boycott looks like with a specific recent example that accomplished what it set out to do. I’m not sure how much more constructive I can be. What would you consider to be constructive if not that?
People have absolutely gotten to a point where they don’t want any criticism even if it is meant to help us come up with plans.
No plan or idea should be single in origin and it’s by the back and forth we find plans… But people are either right or wrong with no in-between in western culture.
Maybe, “This is good but y’know . . [example]” more than “this is dumb, a real [example]”
I posted another comment but they are effective if strong enough. If their metrics crash today it will worry them. Later if it can be followed up by two days, three, a week. Its a message. There are some more targeted ones on the calendar to. Might have actually been more effective for the artist to do a remember one yesterday but then again its nice to do a solidarity one today. We shall see how much people care to send a message or not.
You’re assuming anybody outside of Lemmy even knows about this. I haven’t seen any indication of that.
I’m a cashier, I was pleasantly surprised when a customer mentioned the blackout to me on Monday. I didn’t think anyone was talking about it offline. I’m hoping with all my heart that work is dead slow today, but knowing how backwards the people in my town are, I know it’s a Pipedream.
A co-worker’s parents asked her about it and my coworker asked if I heard about. I think it’s spread further than you think.
The reality is that this blackout might not change the world, but it can send a message about how united people are.
It’s a little bigger than that friend. It was on NPR this morning, FYI.
yup. all the news broadcasts. this is day of though and outlets had articles over a week ago about it.
I don’t hang on other social media but im on them. my condo has a facebook page and I am looking for work on linkedin. I have seen it on these. but I can’t speak the the popularity because I only use these things the minimum necessary although the fact I saw them at all maybe says something.
I have, I received texts from friends and family about this protest that don’t even know what the fediverse is.
My boss’s boss mentioned it to me last week. I would be astonished if he was on any social media. Then again, he surprises me pretty regularly.
We need PERMANENT boycotts. DON’T GO BACK!! Abandoned them and leave them to rot.
Follow what I see every Canadian is doing in the grocery store. Look up the brand and if it’s American put it back and add to the permanent no buy list.
I mean im american but im pretty much like this. A bit limited with my wife but we don’t buy subscriptions, don’t have smartphones, and are getting our stuff second hand a lot now. Granted this has been a thing with us thats just been growing for like the last decade. Essentially we have just gotten more and more serious about and emphasizing more the first two parts of reduce, reuse, recycle.
As an American I use Goods Unite Us to look up political contributions before buying
https://lemmy.socdojo.com/comment/963871
You may have just answered a specific wish I’ve had for a while… Thanks much
I second this app, I’m a big fan of the campaign finance reform score. If you want an easy way to fight the citizens united ruling, this is it.
Also want to give a shout out to https://www.opensecrets.org/. their site isn’t as easy to use as goods, but the have a lot more data and if you can’t find info about a company or politician on goods you can usually still find it on open secrets.
oh look. spaceX is at the top of 2024.
Just as a disclaimer, there are 10 trackers that Exodus detected that are embedded in this app. I’m not saying don’t use it, just promoting awareness.
Good to know. I don’t actually use the app since the website is fine, and I have Firefox with ublock origin for that. Appreciate the info though!
I did this for Facebook and some other companies like X and avoiding using Walmart back in 2010.
Ok I know about the other ones but what’s the bad stuff target did? Besides the general capitalistic crap.
They pulled their pride month merchandise and cut DEI programs after pressure from conservative groups. So if they’re gonna choose them over us then we have to actually make it a choice and punish them, otherwise they’ll just cave to conservatives every time since the liberals will just buy stuff any way.
Only thing I’ve heard about is cutting all their DEI programs.
That’s good enough for me
Todays is broad based. A drop out day. You will see folks making fun here saying everyone will buy the stuff tomorrow but that is fine. The ideal thing is the metrics show a massive crash in economic participation for one day. Todays lean systems rely on predictive patterns and it is a message even if they get it later. Messages like these can be powerful.
So the metrics show that our is it just wishful thinking?
no its the goal. We won’t know for sure until after today.
There’s a boycott today?
Yeah, take all the money you would spend today, and spend it tomorrow. Power to the ….
Didn’t you heart it? No gas! That will show them!!
A boycott should be held until the brand changes position, if only for economic gain. A day of boycott would affect next quarter reports negligibly, if at all.
I have mentioned this in a few comments but metrics are constantly being collected and a one day effect does send a message. On its own its limited but its the first shot across the bow.
Maybe our boycott should be to choose one corporation at random and boycott for an entire quarter. Amazon would be the first obvious choice. And the quarter than contains prime day would be a great option.
maybe but thats not this one. I will say that prime day and black friday would be the most difficult for the poor. The problem with the one corp at a time is what are your demands of them. These general strikes is because of the direction of the country in no small part do to corporate manipulation. Its to get them to push the administration they helped get installed away from this dismantling of the country. Its also not a bad idea to save money so you have it for an extremely bad economic situation.
Yeah, but if I don’t spend money today, I’m spending it tomorrow. I don’t need less groceries and gas for the week because I didn’t spend money today.
yeah im not sure now who all might have seen my other comments but companies gather constant metrics. Its about a one day dive. So some folks may by stuff the day before, some after, or some days either direction within a week in most cases. Its a show of force. Like a warning shot. If it works and the news is talking about how companies showed a massive drop in purchasing today then it will have the intended effect.
The 10th - 14th is an Amazon blackout. No purchasing from them specifically for the entire week.
I love this idea, but I beg that it be fully random.
Because I want every board of directors to all have to write a contingency plan against a Union organizer’s monthly spinner outcome.
We could raffle off the right to be the one who makes the spin during the live stream.
I want to hear the billionaires pretend they have all the power while they still have to tune into our live stream of the big monthly spin. Lol.
If you can’t convince people to not shop for one day, (even when they can go shop tomorrow) then you’re definately not going to convince people to boycott a specific company for months.
This is the lowest of all bars to see how many people actually care enough to participate. Encouraging people to not participate by dismissing it’s effect decreases how many people will participate in future action.
I don’t know, man, I would sooner boycott Amazon than stop buying everything for a day. It’s Friday and we do pizza every Friday. I’m not gonna sacrifice that for a boycott. But you tell me to shop at Walmart instead of Amazon for 3 months and it might have a meaningful impact? I’m down.
It’s Friday and we do pizza every Friday. I’m not gonna sacrifice that for a boycott.
If you’re unwilling to only buy pizza 51 weeks out of the year instead of 52, and unable to plan ahead to have purchased a pizza on Thursday, then you sure as fuck can’t be relied upon when more meaningful action that will actually be difficult is planned such as a general strike.
Not making a purchase today is the lowest possible bar and you are still unable to clear it. If that minor inconvenience is too much for you then you shouldn’t be criticising the people putting in effort to try to do something.
I think the difference is that I don’t see any value in this. Skip a day of purchasing will have zero effect on anything. People don’t spend money on Christmas Day and guess what, zero impact on corporations. Cause they plan for this. And the day after Christmas is a madhouse.
I’m not going to skip pizza day with my family for something that will have zero impact. It has nothing to do with planning or willpower and everything to do with the nature of the plan.
I’m permanently boycotting Amazon, Walmart, Target, U.S. automakers (that includes parts purchases as I do repair vehicles from time to time.) Facebook (including marketplace) and starting a local online forum. I never did use anything else much and I’ve been boycotting Reddit obviously. Online streaming companies. Finally taking steps to completely degoogle, although yt will be difficult, but i’ve been leaching off of them ad free for, since the site started, so I’m costing them a lot of money I think. I could just auto download into my seedbox so they can’t track me. I’m going to make sure to buy used items when I can. Go to my local shops more and the farmers market. I’m also going to plant more variety in my garden this year, it’s usually not worth it, but this year I’m full of spite.
I honestly got lazy about avoiding these companies, and it’s time to take it seriously again.
my big sins currently are amazon and google with a dash of microsoft given linkedin and github. I think that is it but I could be missing something. I don’t plan on stopping were I am at with reducing.
You could always make a personal website instead of linkedin. I deleted mine as it never yeilded anything worthwhile for me.
Open letter to everyone who pooh-poohs this:
Participation is never useless. If you’re looking at this through the lens of “will this fix everything,” well of course it won’t. That’s because small efforts by themselves are not impactful.
But lots of small efforts, cumulative, over time, can be, and you have to start somewhere. Everyone who resists does so by taking on some amount of personal risk. Yes, this boycott is a very small personal risk. That’s fine. It will get people involved who were previously not involved. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.
We need those people. We need their support, in whatever ways they are able to offer it. If your message is “don’t bother, it won’t work,” you are telling people not to be involved. If your aims are, for example, “armed revolution,” and you’re only considering the people who have the weapons and use them, you are completely ignoring all other aspects of conflict. In war, the people who pull the triggers are a minority of the opposing forces.
You have to produce equipment, food, clothing, shelter. You have to deliver those things where they are needed. You have to know where those things are needed. You need to plan and organize and communicate. You need to provide medical services.
And you have to do all those things not only for the “front line troops,” but for everyone.
Today’s boycotter can become tomorrow’s marcher, next week’s smuggler, next month’s partisan. Or medic. Or kitchen. Or driver.
All efforts, great and small. !Resist@fedia.io
I like how Douglas Rushkoff put it at Bretton Woods:
There’s like two kinds of proposals, and either one you make you get criticized. You make a big proposal, people say “Well yeah, but how does that work on the ground?” You make an on-the-ground proposal, people say “How does that scale to the whole thing?” Alright, fine, then let’s just die.
This is an incredibly reductive shit take that only serves to absolve you of any responsibility or criticism.
You may as well say “I am beyond criticism and reproach because I have good opinions.”
I’m sorry, I flat out reject the idea that any action is good action and that actions cannot be criticized or critiqued. Bad protest is not without impact, as it can disenfranchise and fatigue those who wasting efforts on futility. These people are going to think “but I’ve already been trying and nothing is working!”, when in reality it is not the lack of effort that is the error but the misplaced effort.
These people are going to think “but I’ve already been trying and nothing is working!”, …
Might just inspire some people to try something different, take on more risk. Maybe “don’t gatekeep resistance” and “this is going to take a long time and a lot of effort by a lot of people in all kinds of ways before any results are seen” are mindsets which end up being necessary to effect real, lasting change. Time will tell.
… when in reality it is not the lack of effort that is the error but the misplaced effort.
That you have only criticism and not ideas speaks volumes.
Boycott permanently.
March on your capital, daily.
Refuse to perform work.
Close your bank accounts and open credit union accounts instead.
There are hundreds of actual actions; that I didn’t list them doesn’t automatically make your shitty option good.
Those are all great ideas for people who have the latitude to perform them.
Are you marching on your capitol daily, refusing to perform work, and if you are, how long before you run out of money to pay your bills?
Some of the people who are moved enough from “being frustrated and not knowing what to do” into “joining a one-day purchasing freeze” are going to ask themselves, “What’s next?” And they might march next time. They might switch to a credit union. Then ask “What’s next?” Some are going to become connected into networks that provide them with new opportunities and ideas.
Everyone has to start somewhere. Everyone is not you, or me. Gatekeeping is divisive.
And likewise some are going to mistakenly thing this meaningless impact is meaningful and feel fatigued and defeated when they quickly realize it’s all just self-congratulatory.
I too can present convenient hypotheticals
People are going to feel more fatigued and defeated when marching on their capitol daily doesn’t produce results in days or weeks.
Of course some people are going to check out at some point. People have their own lives to attend to. That’s okay. They can check back in later when they’re able.
You think that this particular action is counterproductive. No one is forcing you to participate. I think that opposing participation in general is counterproductive.
I’m not opposing; feel free to continue these meaningless protests. I’m just refusing to participate in the performative part where we pat ourselves on the back and act like this is accomplishing anything.
Feel free to waste your effort, just don’t expect praise for it.
I’m not trying to “Pooh pooh” anything, but I do wonder if the old way of doing things is really effective in today’s political arena?
Politicians these days only seem to care about re-election and since people now vote party over individual, I’m having a hard time seeing the effectiveness of such demonstrations. Other then letting like minded people know that other like minded people exist. Something that I think social media has been doing for a long time. But I don’t think politicians really fear this kind of thing anymore. I think they know that people are entrenched in their parties and once it comes down to filling out the ballot, they wont care who the person is as much as they do that they are voting for “their side”.
But maybe I’m wrong, which is why I’m participating today regardless of my ignorance.
And I’m not saying “don’t bother”. Try everything you can. I’m just saying that maybe it’s time we figure out new ways to do things?
Ideas come from people. The larger the pool of people who are engaged, the greater the likelihood that a “new way” will be invented. And that new way will need support in all kinds of ways from all kinds of directions, by all kinds of people. At some point, it’s a numbers game.
As long as we’re all pulling in generally the same direction, that’s a good thing. I don’t 100% agree with everyone who’s pulling generally in the direction away from fascism, and I know that some of those same people have various disagreements with me. That’s okay.
We don’t have to be in perfect lockstep to be pulling on the same rope.
I think the reality is no one knows what will work, and that’s why it’s important to try things.
It’s good to suggest new things too, but who are you addressing when you say maybe it’s time we figure out new things? I’m frustrated with the old ways too, but to do new things requires organizing and community building around a new idea. I don’t think it’s very constructive to hand wave at the internet and say “we should do something new” without any suggestion or effort to plan something.
Organizing isn’t my skill set either, so I think it’s important to support what does come along even if it isn’t the ideal thing we’d like to see. Nitpicking every effort for not being perfect will drain energy out of the participants, and it’s good people are trying things. Just my 2 cents.
oh man I have this in a lot of comments but businesses keep track of metrics down to the second. If it works there would be a severe drop in the graph today for businesses. Think in terms of how people react to the stock market diving three thousand points in one day. There is also a knock on effect in that lean pretty much won over six sigma for most bussinesses and they are highly reliant on historical metrics to do their ordering and supplying their spots from the supply chain. The leaner and more efficient the operation the larger the effect of an unusual drop in activity for a day. That is secondary again. Mostly its about making the graphs drop for the daily, weekly, monthly c-suite meetings.
When they can account for the anomaly, such as in the case of a blizzard or planned and openly discussed protests, they can easily account for the anomalous entry. If at the end of the quarter their books still balance because everyone spent the money on Thursday they would have spent on Friday then there is no actual impact being felt here. You are vastly overestimating the response to a single dip in the books while entirely ignoring the context around the dip.
sure if this is the one and only thing. its the opening salvo. a shot across the bow. they can ignore it but they can’t say they were not warned.
its the opening salvo. a shot across the bow.
You don’t even have an outcome you want to achieve. No goal, no demands, just a generic grumpiness.
It’s like a Monty Python skit.
But again, you’re operating under this naive idea that any action is good and holds no potential for detriment. That’s just not realistic. If I need to get to France from the UK there are tons of valid methods to get you closer but donning concrete shoes with the intention of walking across the ocean floor isn’t going to work for obvious reason.
You’re not just suggesting folks brave the channel in their concrete shoes, you’re also trying to tell the rest of us that we’re not allowed to point out the obvious flaw in that plan.
That’s bullshit.
I don’t think you realise how much noise there is in that data though. Things as simple as traffic, weather, sports games etc can have a huge effect on retail spending.
Even with the metrics these companies collect, I doubt you could conclusively say any change in sales was due to this.
The same people who complain about this will come back tomorrow and say “someone needs to do something about XYZ”. They never planned to do anything, they just like complaining.
I get this, but as a small business owner who is already struggling, I worry about this and the other upcoming days.
Don’t worry, you’ll make it up tomorrow.
I’m supporting my local businesses!!!
…by buying an eightball
I think the complete blackout is misguided. If we want to make a real difference, stop shopping at Amazon, Walmart, Target, Whole Foods etc. and replace them with locally owned businesses. I am not going to not get lunch from the mom and pop vietnamese restaurant down the street as a way to stick it to the oligarchs. It makes no fucking sense.
Did you check with each of those businesses to make sure their supply chain and product offering is clean? Are those pho ingredients from a locally sourced farm? Does that farm run off of any big brand farm equipment? Hope they don’t need to buy new pots and pans off of Amazon to keep up with demand…
The point of a blackout is you can’t really choose which parts of a fundamentally broken system you want to support. These oligarchs didn’t gain total economic control by producing a single widget you can avoid or a single store you can boycott.
nope but I would not worry to much at a certain point. If you get your hair cut today the effect on their purchasing would likely not happen today. if the farm uses equipment. same. the pots and pans make no sense honestly. unlikely to happen and not today unless like a handle happened to break or something. I think you can but you do have to be real with yourself as its a slippery slope. There is a different between a local place where you know the owner and how they do things and something that looks local. It helps to buy local to begin with so you know what your dealing with.
The point is that every dollar in circulation still gets the billionaire tax at some point. So the question shouldn’t be “what are the things I can efficiently avoid while maintaining my lifestyle” but “what is the minimum consumption I need to keep a livable life”
The reason eating at the Vietnamese restaurant is more expensive than eating at home is because running the business consumes more resources. Instead of paying the market price for pho ingredients you’re paying for the gas that goes into employees cars, the lease for the business, HVAC, equipment, etc…
If you’re worried about the livelihood of the business owner, you could direct your resources towards supporting him instead of his entire business (mutual aid, charities or direct financial support).
The answer to how much austerity you can stomach is personal. You don’t have to grow your own rice and beans if its not feasible. But any organized action is going to be disruptive; you have to ask yourself how much you’re willing to give
I agree as I am like that but the thing is once your perm out it won’t really show up. Honestly the biggest effects is if very consumerist people do it. Its sorta a threat that they may become like us if they don’t change their ways.
If you make handmade items or refurbish things or do services there is a good chance people will not boycott you. This is more about corporations. If your a retailer I would ask that you participate although may be a bit late. Close for sales, don’t put in any orders, and instead say you will be open for people to hang, discuss, play games, whatever.
I am a retailer, and unless you are going to pay my bills, I cannot afford to participate.
thats fine but im likely not one of your customers. If your customers do not talk with you about it then likely they are not participating anyway. Unless your business is such your customers don’t really know you then you just will have to check your own metrics.
I’ve been seeing maga dipshits saying that they will be buying more today and will enjoy the short lines, just out of spite. So if we all start saying we like shit they do, will they stop. Like reverse scycolgy? Could they really be that dumb?..please!
yeah of course there are going to be some of those but they are going to be the hardcore idiots rather than the leopards ate my face ones. at least presumably but who knows with these yahoos.
I’m doing my part on accident by working from home… oh wait I bought something on Amazon this morning sorry :(
No Restaurants? What? We’re afraid the authentic turkish food place down the block is colluding with Trump, now? Idiocy.
Yeah dude didnt you hear? If you dont spend money at your local mom & pop shop trump will get impeached
So we dont buy anything for one day and then go back to ordering on amazon and that will have an effect on… something. Ok got it. Idiots.
It’s supposed to be baby steps towards concrete action.
Kind of like if a smoker goes a whole day without smoking. Yea in the long run it’s not gonna make a difference, but it’s a start towards breaking the addiction.
HEY YOU’RE RIGHT! The people organizing and participating in this believe that this one day of action will solve every abstract problem that exists! I also have simplistic understanding of protest and goals! I also prefer to be snarky at anyone attempting to voice dissent towards the insanity happening in our country!
I’m really sorry to go over the top here, but seriously, there’s no fucking handbook for what we’re going through right now. There’s no questgiver telling us concrete steps to take down objectively evil people. There’s just people trying to figure out how to connect with each other and how to collectively voice dissent. Maybe we should give more credit to people doing imperfect things than to those doing nothing other than pointing out how imperfectly those things are.
The snarky attitude is totally uncalled for, and you’re arguing a point nobody has made.
Nobody has said this will solve everything, but this isn’t a new idea, and I’ve yet to see any evidence it solves anything at all.
Even if we did get a statistically significant number of people to take part, they’ll just buy shit the next few days after instead.
If you want to get people on board, you need to provide some evidence it will actually do something at all
I wasn’t going to buy anything today anyway, easiest boycott I ever saw.
I appreciate the effort and am participating, but if we aren’t willing to be uncomfortable, this doesn’t really accomplish anything. We squeeze, they squeeze back, we buckle… What have we gained? Do it for a month and let’s see them sweat…
If you cant get people to do it for a day, you surely cant get them to do the planning necessary for a month.
They think that a day of boycott will change something and that the big monopolies will be affected and will change the way they act. This blackout day is an idea of depoliticized people who think they can change political course through consumption
No. this one day is pretty initial. Its about taking notice. I don’t think anyone thinks its a one and done thing. Consumption is a huge part of our modern society and big monopolies will be effected as we change our ways. I honestly will not make a big impact on today as im sorta dropped out in participation as much as is possible. ironically its the big consumer types who abstain that will have the biggest impact. Its to show them what will happen if we don’t have the means to utilize their companies which is what will happen on the current track. In some ways its to give them a glimpse about the future. Also it is a very good time for folks to save for the future and be frugal.
We need class consciousness, class organization and praxis. Not boycott a Starbucks coffee cup
Lets just Thanos snap everyone to class consciousness.
I said we need it, I didn’t say it comes out of nowhere
This boycott sure looks like a early step in building class consciousness and class organization.
