There is no men’s (mental) health month. It’s an attempt to set it up to compete with pride for June. It carves a perfect seperation, there is no argument that men’s health isn’t important, but riling up all cis males against all none cis males is perfect culture war.
OP’s handle is literally King Pepe 🐸
This link specifically mentions that NAMI considers mental health part of men’s health month. And if you think an organization that is chaired primarily by women and is a massive LGTBQ advocacy group (as they still have their DEI initiatives in place) supports this b/c they’re trying to sow division, you have an agenda not a credible argument.
Oh it’s like an all lives matter thing.
Why are humans are so shit?
This is under shitpost for a reason.
Gay men are men too?
It’s an attempt to set it up to compete with pride for June.
That sounds very paranoid.
there is no argument that men’s health isn’t important
Read the comments in this very thread.
No and no
No you won’t read the comments?
There are only 12 months.
There always will be a lot of overlap with all kinds of stuff people are trying to get into the spotlight of public attention.
Pride, men’s health, whatever. It’s all degraded into yet more fucking marketing with its monthly advertising channel called “calendar months” for publicity over which agendas compete.
Your very statement is making this exact notion more than obvious.
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Dang, I should probably get more of #4
Thank you. This is much appreciated
#PRIDEMONTH happy pride, happy fight
How is this a “shitpost”?
because it’s actually pride month
It’s in numerous places.
It’s a glorious shit post. Half the comments will be support, half will be criticism, and the rest will be your sentiment. There is no way to tell who is being ironic on any side.
Considering it’s posted here I assume OP is a shithead who thinks that men think everything is about them and it’s always men’s something day/week/month and trying to make pride month about men.
Maybe OP posted it ironically
everything on the internet is a shitpost
On this blessed day
Op doesn’t mean it.
:(
i think it’s just here to reach a bigger, targeted audience
I wonder if this is posted in the correct community…
HM maybe the wrong community but it’s an important message anyway. Men’s mental health matters and if we all cared more about it, we’d have a lot less issues in the world.
Men’s menstrual health is also just as important.
Yuck. This is a shitty post.
Take this crap back to your support group.Yeah u’re right👍
See, THIS is a shitpost.
Setting the bar
Mens translates to «period» in Norwegian.
Which is pretty fun
What do I get when i get a hole punch for all six?
Next trauma’s free!
LETS GOOOO 💙
I’m scared to post this anywhere because people will interpret it as me being misogynistic. And that, IMO, is the biggest problem that men face. We’re not allowed by society to be victims.
That’s why I’m a feminist. They understand everyone suffers under the patriarchy. Especially men who are forbidden to show emotion.
Under some older meaning of feminist sure. But 90% of the people who claim to be feminist these days think of it solely as giving women more privilege, and any discussion of men’s issues is considered anti-feminist. Whatever meaning of equality that there used to be is all but lost.
You’d get called a misogynist because you are a misogynist.
That comment was already made and most symbols mean multiple things. A German user and a Japanese user will have very different interpretations of a swastika. Whose Interpretation is correct, is depending on the situation. If you think the swastika on the tourist map in Japan stands for Nazism, you are wrong. If you think the swastika on a wall in Germany stands for good fortune, you are most probably wrong.
He’s a German and literally calling the vast majority of feminists sexists, dip shit.
Also, we know “he” is “you” and you’re too lazy to make your alts on different instances, which makes it easy to notice when you forget to swap your sockpuppets.
Kindly follow your leader, thanks.
Lol, I am not. And a lot of people who call themselves feminists are sexist. If you disagree with that, please name 1 thing that the general feminist movement is tackling in support of men. And the current patriarchy is harmful for men too. So there are things to tackle.
A German is not forced to use a symbol in an international setting in the same way, they might use it in the local setting.
Please don’t use insults.
This is the worst argument I have ever seen.
Oh, you’re just independently using a specious argument to randomly claim modern Japanese people using a swastika is the same thing as the existence of historical examples and conflating it with this situation, while defending all his incorrect points.
An argument that, just by accident, ignores all the relevant context of his complaints.
Also, sure, here you go, the parts where feminism believes in gender equality:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism
It’s the whole fucking thing, incel.
Go be an edgelord on Reddit, we don’t need your toxicity on Lemmy
Did you know that 74% of statistics are made up on the spot?
How many feminist podcasts do you consume, and when did you notice the change?
I’m not talking about feminists who actually know their stuff (such as most - but not all - who make podcasts on the subject). Those are niche subcultures. I’m talking about the self-proclaimed feminists on social media like TikTok, Instagram, or the comment sections on Reddit and Facebook. The people that the general public comes in contact with and who shape the meaning of our language. Your attempt at gatekeeping kind of underscores my point.
But yes you’re right that when I said 90% I didn’t base it on some scientific survey. It’s the general sense that I get on the internet and read what’s on my feed.
I’ve very rarely see that from feminist circles. And even then it feels like we can only have the emotions they want us to have and not the ones we do have.
I’ve had the same experience. Or if you do hear about it, it’s reluctant and only in relation to how it affects women.
I’m fine with women having their own advocacy group, I don’t think they’re equipped to take on men too.
And whenever there is a push for a male advocacy group it gets labeled as some incel shit. Which attracts alt right types and suddenly it’s yet another pro republican group.
Men can’t have advocacy groups.
Buddy they oppose & damage & hijack men’s issues (E.g: Conscription & False allegations)
What emotions do you have that you think you can’t?
You’re allowed to have anger. But if you’re like many, you conflate the anger feeling with the shouting/punching/violent actions. Toxic actions are bad, but the feelings are valid and ok. Need to find a proper way to express those emotions.
I don’t like being associated with feminism for a single reason - not everyone agrees that both women and men suffer, and the blame is often shifted on men as “carriers of patriarchy”. Besides, it is originally about women fighting for their rights, not men, and at any point in time women can note that it’s for the women and about women, effectively shaking off the very men who promoted it - and to some degree, they will be correct.
We can do better by building a wider antisexist community. At the end of the day, all we want, as long as we act in good faith, is for everyone to be equal in their rights and opportunities. Women face sexism. Men face sexism. Some of it stems from patriarchy, some of it might come from other angles. We should come together not under the banner of feminism, not under the banner of masculism, but from the neutral ground if we ever hope to achieve a society that treats men and women as equals.
I don’t like being associated with anti-racism for a single reason - not everyone agrees that both black and white people suffer, and the blame is often shifted on white people as “carriers of systemic racism”. Besides, it is originally about black people fighting for their rights, not white people, and at any point in time black people can note that it’s for and about black people, effectively shaking off the very white people who promoted it - and to some degree, they will be correct.
We can do better by building a wider anti-racist community. At the end of the day, all we want, as long as we act in good faith, is for everyone to be equal in their rights and opportunities. Black people face racism. White people face racism. Some of it stems from systemic racism, some of it might come from other angles. We should come together not under the banner of pro-black, not under the banner of pro-white, but from the neutral ground if we ever hope to achieve a society that treats #AllLives as equals.
This is how these posts come across to me.
There’s a power imbalance. Feminism is about bringing women up and redistributing the power.
Men should be able to talk about their issues. And I feel like they usually are. It’s not a problem.
It’s a problem when it’s done to hijack a conversation about women. Or when it’s done without awareness of the history of the power imbalance.
A lot of it isn’t to be taken personally and if it is, I think that says something about you. When I hear blame and anger towards privileged groups that I’m a part of, even if I suffer too, my gut reaction is never “but…” I understand that it’s a reaction to the power, the history, and the general picture.
Either you’re a feminist or you’re a misogynist, it’s simple.I too think in absolutes. Either you’re a Christian or a devil worshipper.
Either you’re with us, or you’re with the terrorists.
Wow, life got much easier when I eliminated nuance.
I support feminist ideas, but don’t find them fitting to look at mens’ problems.
You randomly slap misogynist labels left and right because you got so rigid you cannot even start to comprehend any view more nuanced than “feminism will save us all!”
Nothing wrong with feminism when it comes to women and their issues, by the way.
It’s a problem when it’s done to hijack a conversation about women.
You’re talking about feminism in a thread started about men’s mental health.
Dearest Kettle,
I write to you on this auspicious occasion to bring into your awareness a matter which has consumed my attention as of late. It seems you bear a certain patina of the very darkest of colors, one might even go so far as to call you “black.”
Eternally yours,
Pot
I’m replying to a comment about feminism, moron.
And the entire topic of feminism was brought up to hijack a conversation about men. Moron.
The comment thread I replied to didn’t start with feminism but with fears of being seen as a misogynist when bringing up OP’s points. This naturally led to a conversation about feminism being a movement that aims to abolish this kind of thing.
The problem is in your first remake of the quote.
I don’t like being associated with anti-racism…
I support antisexism. You just equated feminism and antisexism, and the latter is a bigger category than the former.
Nothing wrong with feminism as a fight for women’s rights, but looking at mens’ problems through the prism of feminism is the same as looking at racism against whites through the prism of BLM, or apples through bananas. That’s simply the wrong tool.
There is feminism - about women. There is masculism (which is currently heavily discredited by patriarchal shitheads, but originally comes from the same place of equality as feminism) - about men. There are also nonbinaries fighting for their place in the world. And there is antisexism combining them all.
If someone calls themselves a feminist, but they don’t acknowledge the struggles men face under patriarchy, they can hardly be called a feminist.
Source? You’re speaking with a lot of authority here and I’m not sure you fully know what you’re talking about. What you seem to be calling anti-sexism is often called intersectional feminism.
It’s…in the name?
But also sure, here’s the Cambridge Dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/anti-sexist
No true Scotsman, amirite?
Antisexism would be great. I’m not sure that it won’t easily be coopted by toxic feminist or incels. But I’d join
It kinda exists, but I feel it is drowned in the era of outrage-based media.
And yes, it is often appropriated by various actors, even though the premise couldn’t be clearer.
Stay strong, brother. You are not alone
I agree. It’s kind of a tightrope these days. As a white, cis, hereto, middle-aged, male, I pretty much clock as the poster-child for privilege. I am palpably aware that crying loudly for any support might just come off as tasteless, or even insensitive in the wrong group.
Yet, a lot of our social ills these days look an awful lot like mental illness, which is poorly compensated for through evil, perpetrated by people that resemble this description. Zero social support means you just listen to Joe Rogan instead, while projecting trauma as hate.
This poster/meme might work better if it aimed for equality and that it doesn’t exclude anyone. Or maybe if it had a quote from research or some person of note about the silent epidemic that is men’s mental/social health issues.
This poster/meme might work better if it aimed for equality and that it doesn’t exclude anyone.
Who does it exclude?
Technically, everyone that doesn’t identify as “men”. But it’s done in the abstract, negative space of the message by not saying it. Subtle, but without clarifying things, it’s left open to this interpretation.
Do you also complain that gay pride and black history month aren’t inclusive of everyone?
Hardly. I added some clarification to my argument.
I don’t see how your argument is anything other than “Memes about men aren’t inclusive. What about everyone else?”
The fact that men are privileged overall doesn’t mean they don’t have issues. Acknowledging those issues but requiring an additional acknowledgement that other groups exist and have issues is the same thing as ‘all lives matter’.
It isn’t inclusive of everyone because it is about a specific group. I’m getting ‘all lives matter’ vibes from your comment.
Thanks for clarifying. I’m actually trying to argue the exact opposite of something like “all lives matter”.
So can the meto movement include male victims now?
This YouTuber has created 4 astoundingly insightful videos about men. Patriarchal society fucks us up, either turning us into monsters or demanding a facade that runs so deep most of us forget it’s a facade. Even just articulating our feelings and mental health is a massive struggle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pm5gX_wgic
Worth a watch by men and anyone who cares about men. And if you don’t care about men… well, that’s pretty typical of society at large, so don’t feel too guilty, but maybe you should start caring.
In the same vein, I’d like to remind people that feminism is also for men.
As a start, I think bell hooks’ The Will to Change can be a good intro.
Bell Hooks gets quoted in the video FWIW
No it ain’t, feminism is for women only
Maybe in some circles but I’ve always felt welcomed and supported by the women around me. I’m sorry that you can’t say the same.
I want you to know that your feelings are valid but please don’t let the actions of a few reactionaries spoil the entire ideal that feminism stands on.
I’m speaking on a holistic & practical level. Oh & the reason you’re welcomed is because you’re a useful tool, the instant you criticize them, you’ll be a misogynist & will be rail-roaded
I can give practical examples as well.
I hear your frustration, and I won’t deny that some feminist spaces have blind spots or even hostility toward men’s issues. But dismissing the entire movement because of those flaws is like rejecting democracy because some politicians are corrupt it throws out the good with the bad. Feminism, at its core, is about dismantling rigid gender roles, which harms men too (e.g., stigma around male vulnerability, custody biases, conscription).
You’re right that some self-labeled feminists don’t live up to that ideal, but that doesn’t negate the millions who fight for parental leave, against male suicide stigma, or for LGBTQ+ rights. If you’ve been burned by hypocrites, I get it but I’d encourage you to judge ideas by their best advocates, not their worst.
That said, I’m open to your examples. If we agree the goal is equality, maybe we can find common ground on where movements fall short.
I thought men’s health month was in Movember?
No-nutting is bad for mental health. It was a bad choice for a month.
The anti-masturbation activists are another cancerous growth to be excised.
These quacks have been at it for centuries, creating and exploiting guilt around sex and then becoming polygamous cult leaders living of the backs of their pious sexually frustrated victims.
I, also, heard of no shave November for people wanting to grow beards or moustaches.
So face-centric. What about a keen bush?
You mean only nut November?
That you Lance?
Nonstop-nut-november
I used to check all boxes. I feel I don’t check any box now (even if I should probably do therapy for minor stuff here and there).
I also try to give back and talk with my friends or even strangers. Still it’s astonishing how many people live in denial and refuse any change in their behaviour.
I’m happy you’re in a better place mentally!
Toxic masculinity is a bitch.
